grapefruit / 4187 posts
I deal with this all the time because my parents do the same thing for DH and I. It's a slippery slope because we don't ever want to be dependant on the money they give us to fund our lifestyle, but at the same time I mean, they're extremely well off and really happy to help us out.
What we've worked out with them for the most part is we will accept a one-time gift, like a down payment on a home (that we can easily afford the payments on), or gifting us one of their cars, etc. But if it's a recurring monetary gift like paying our insurance or providing child care then we don't go spending on other things factoring that into our budget. Because we don't really consider it part of our spending ability, it could stop at anytime. And we will actually be in the market for a new car soon and could easily afford a luxury SUV based on the gifts we have received from them, but we'd never buy one because 1) we couldn't really afford it without all of their generosity and 2) they don't buy flashy things themselves, so it would just feel wrong.
cantaloupe / 6171 posts
@Modern Daisy: that's a lot like how my parents are. Except with us, aside from my parents just being incredibly generous, and wanting to see us happily using it rather than waiting until they've passed away, some of it is "fairness" too because my brother/sil were financially dependent on them for awhile while they were in law and medical school as new parents. while dh and I still live within our means despite their gift, my bro's fam isn't as concerned about that and it definitely has caused them tension in the past. (Example: my parents helped them buy a house, and then they decided to spend a lot of money on unnecessary landscaping.) My parents would never stop helping out--that just isn't them--but I do see how they (mostly silently) judge my brother's choices sometimes.
That said, a car is a necessary purchase for you, cherrybee, with your long commute! If this one makes the most sense in the long-term, with ease of care/maintenance/etc, then if your in-laws are like my parents, they'd be happy for you as long as they saw that it was a well-thought out decision
pomegranate / 3791 posts
I understand your situation OP because my ILs also are always wanting to help us financially, and I wasn't really comfortable with it because I felt like the money had strings - I didn't want to accept their money if it meant having to run my decisions and purchases by them, or hearing snarky remarks about it. My situation is a bit different because my DH works full-time for his family business, and honestly he's not super well paid, so we have accepted certain things from them - like a company car that they let him use for personal use as well. But when it comes to other big things (my car, help with house payments, child care, etc.) I have said no and that we would prefer to take care of it on our own. This is a bad dynamic you have with them - getting help when you really need it, like DH's car when his was on it's last leg, is one thing - but letting them buy you a new dryer because yours wasn't energy efficient? A dishwasher? I'd rather hand wash the dishes than let my ILs pay for that.
Sorry, I'm kind of getting off track here...but basically I don't think that the fancy new car is a good idea. You are a married couple with kids, and it seems to me that you should WANT to be able to be financially independent, build up your savings, etc. Buying a fancier car than you need is not going to help you attain those goals. I know it's temping - I absolutely LOATHE my car and how much I spend on repairs for that piece of crap. But the fact that you couldn't afford ANY car if it weren't for the childcare and financial assistance your ILs give you tells me that yes, there is likely to be some judging and resentment if you splurge on something more extravagant. I would get the smaller more basic car if I were in your shoes. Live within your means.
papaya / 10570 posts
@MamaMoose: @blackbird: @kjpugs: @wonderstruck: When I said we couldn't afford any car if we had to pay for full time daycare I didn't mean that we couldn't make the payments..... I work as a money advisor (debt counselling, welfare benefits advice, budgeting advice etc) so I'm super, super cautious. I just looked at our budget with that scenario in mind and if the part time child care was withdrawn by my inlaws our expendable income (including food shopping money) would be £560pcm. That's not including DH's quarterly bonuses or my work expense payments (which never count when you design a budget!). So it's doable but in my opinion not *affordable* without their childcare help - I prefer to have a lot more money to play with/put into short term savings etc. I'm a money worrier - which is why we're in a good place financially (like, we don't have debt), it has served us well!!
@mediagirl: You know what? The truth is - it's not that I think it's not the best idea, I'm just embarrassed by the size and the apparent flashiness of the thing! The sensible family car option is only £50 a month cheaper and £7 a month cheaper to insure (that's less than our gym memberships which we never use!!) but it looks boring and sensible which is what I think "people like me" should have.
By way of an update, for anyone who's interested, we test drove the car today and, while we had it, we took it to my inlaws' house to show them. My FIL (who is the brains behind their financial decisions) loved it and was really excited about it. My MIL was a little anxious about whether we could afford it but my FIL explained about the payment plan and assured her we can. He then offered us money as a deposit! We refused of course! We're still not 100% decided - we're test driving the super sensible option over the weekend - but I needn't have worried about my inlaws' reaction. I'm still a little embarrassed though..... I'm embarrassed that they keep giving us money - I feel like we should act poor (saving every single penny we save) to show our gratitude (and many of you agree). Hmm...... what to do.....!
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Cherrybee: that makes more sense!!!! So if you had to it would work, but it would just be tighter than you'd like. That's great!
If you are uncomfortable with the "extravagence" compared to what your in laws are comfortable with, maybe you or DH can mention to them that you were looking at cars and found a phenomenal deal on XYZ car. Maybe fib a little and talk up the deal and how it was almost the same as ABC (practical) car, but XYZ car has these features (mention anything safety related maybe that is a "pro" or practical thigns, like seat warmers). If you mention that you can feel them out. Maybe they'll say "I can't imagine you getting a car like that, what a waste of money, blah blah blah" and you might just not feel right getting it after them putting it down. OR maybe they say "oh that sounds like a great deal!" or even just not seem to care at all. That way you can feel them out to see if it bothers them before you pull the trigger. I completely understand taht when you rely on people for something, you feel almost a sense of obligation. Sounds like they'll probably be fine with it (and that you should be fine either way) but perhaps their "approval" might help make pulling the trigger easier
pomegranate / 3791 posts
@Cherrybee: I'm so glad you updated to clarify! Those details you added, and knowing what you actually mean when you say affordable, makes such a big difference. Now that I know those things I would say get the nicer car. My DH would say get the more reasonable car and put the extra money in savings or stocks/bonds, or towards your mortgage if you have one. But he's a nut about finances, he literally never buys anything for himself.
kiwi / 661 posts
Are they really that frugal if they are replacing your dryer b/c they don't like your previous model? If you can afford your life with zero help from them and want the car then I wouldn't feel weird at all. If it pushes your budget and something breaks and you need help from the inlaws it might be a little weird? But mostly you're grownups, I wouldn't let this be a factor.
papaya / 10570 posts
@wonderstruck: I'm usually a bit more like your husband! That's probably why I'm feeling so uncomfortable about this and perhaps projecting it on my inlaws - because they are actually really fine with it it transpires. It's just not my way....!!
@Maysprout: That's a great question. The smaller, sensible car is a 1.2 litre engine compared to the 1.6 engine in the bigger car. So, around the city, the smaller car would be cheaper to run. However, I do 400 - 500 motorway miles per week so a bigger engine would probably be more fuel efficient for my commute.
@OpinionsLikeKittens: Yeah, I guess they're not *that* frugal if they do things like that. I generally feel like a charity case with them - like "poor you, your dryer is expensive to run, here have a new one you poor things, it will save you money going forward". It's probably more my paranoia then their intention.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@Cherrybee: Oh that's a decent amount of driving. I'd def look at the miles per gallon (or litre) for both highway and city miles. They should be on the car specs for both cars but you might want to also look at reviews to see what people say they're getting. Sometimes the smaller engines people tend to drive harder to get the car moving so end up being less efficient than they say. But usually smaller cars are lighter and thus get better gas mileage but some of the newer cars are getting decently nice fuel efficient engines.
pomelo / 5257 posts
I haven't read all of the responses, but I just wanted to say that some people like to show their love with money. My mom is like that -- she's always buying me random things, she loves giving gifts, and whenever we're home, she insists on paying for all meals out, etc. My H has actually intercepted the waiter before to pay for dinner because he knew she would try to do it herself, haha. That's just how she is -- generous almost to a fault. It sounds like your ILs are lovely people and very generous like my mom. It doesn't sound like they give gifts with strings attached, but because they enjoy it. And from your update it sounds like they don't mind the car at all. So I would just do what you think is the best fit your family I get where you're coming from, though, it took awhile for my H to not feel awkward about my mom spending money on us.
persimmon / 1167 posts
@Cherrybee: My in-laws are EXACTLY the same way. I would think we were SILs if I didn't know DH was an only child.
DH's parents are very aware that everyone gets to choose how they spend their hard earned money. My FIL doesn't spend a dime. And my MIL is taking me to Venice in April...just because she can. She also wants to start gifting us money in an account as to start reducing the estate? (I have NO idea what that means, because I come from a family who lived paycheck to paycheck.) But I trust their judgement and decisions. And they seem to do the same for us.
Do they respect the other choices you make in life?
If so- I don't think this would be an uncomfortable situation.
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