http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/opinion/robbins-slenderman-stabbing-girls/index.html
The two girls accused of stabbing another 12yo are being charged as adults. What do you think?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/opinion/robbins-slenderman-stabbing-girls/index.html
The two girls accused of stabbing another 12yo are being charged as adults. What do you think?
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
I'm no psychologist (or lawyer for that matter) but to me it seems reasonable. This wasn't some sort of impulsive act where they couldn't control their emotions. This was carefully plotted and planned out for MONTHS in advance.
cantaloupe / 6017 posts
I think that even when children do horrible and horrific things they are still children. Their brains simply do not work the same way that adults do, and studies have demonstrated this over and over again. They should be tried as children, because they are children.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Silva: Agree completely.
It is horrific what they did, but I am extremely uncomfortable trying children as adults. I am *extremely uncomfortable* sending young children to prison for the rest of their lives.
grapefruit / 4997 posts
What a terrible crime but no, they should not be tried as adults. They need juvenile help and attention. So sad!
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
Whether to try them as adults vs. juveniles should be determined based on the facts of each crime. If this was a spontaneous event gone wrong, I would agree that they should be tried as juveniles. But this was carefully planned and executed, which puts it into a completely different category for me, and I agree that for these reasons their actions are egregious enough to warrant sentences/punishments applicable to adults. That doesn't mean that they'll get life . . . but it does mean they will be evaluated and treated for a long time to come.
@MamaMoose: Exactly. This behavior is other-worldly to me.
honeydew / 7504 posts
I get that their brains aren't as "developed" as an adults, but they still had the ability to carefully create the plan, follow through on the plan, and even defend the plan. A 12-year-old absolutely understands that murder is wrong. You commit an adult act, you get tried as an adult.
pomelo / 5000 posts
I honestly don't know what to think. It's so bizarre and horrific to me.
Had anyone ever heard of this internet character before?
wonderful olive / 19353 posts
@MamaMoose: Agreed! It was methodically planned for MONTHS! It wasn't spur of the moment thing.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
This is mortifying. I just cannot wrap my head around it. My gut reaction is no, they're children - try them as such.
but after reading the article, I do think they should be tried as adults and carry this with them. It is a sobering thought how this one act will define the one life they get. They won't have the high school experience, going off to college, getting their first job, marriage, kids etc... they have stripped themselves of a future, basically. And that's why it seems "unfair" to try them as adults. But like others mentioned, this was methodically contemplated for months on end. I think there is a psychological issue going on if they are 12 years old and believing in myths/fairy tales.
grapefruit / 4649 posts
What does it mean to be tried as an adult? If life in an adult prison is likely than I say no. But if it means the court can keep them under their care past the age of 18 and it stays on their record I am OK with it.
I absolutely believe their brains aren't fully developed yet and understanding the long term ramifications for both themselves and the victim probably was beyond them.
bananas / 9899 posts
I think there is a big difference between a child acting out in anger and hurting someone else, or simply not understanding that say, a gun is dangerous... and meticulously planning the murder of a friend for months and then executing the plan and stabbing someone 19 times. Imagine, these girls kept on stabbing even when their friend was bleeding and screaming for her life. They really did try and kill her, then they left her for dead. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I think they absolutely should be tried as adults. 12 years old is old enough for them to have understood completely what they were doing and I think the premeditation they put in to their crime proves that.
grapefruit / 4731 posts
I am trying my hardest to remember when I stop believing in Santa. Was I younger than 12? I don't remember. I want to say it was around that time maybe. My parents have this rule that as long as we "believe" we still get presents from him so I forgot when I started to pretend to believe.
I remember trying to being good so I could get a good present. To basically appease the myth of Santa. Isn't that planning?
From what I understand this character is a little bit like Santa but in a very very twisted way.
I think they should be tried as children because obviously they don't have the mental capacity yet to know what is fact and fiction.
pomelo / 5073 posts
@pui: I think I read that they even tried to do something else, but decided this plan was going to be more fun. I just can't even imagine.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
Man, so crazy. I read all the comments below the article too. I lean towards trying them as adults.
I feel like believing in Santa or boogey man or having other make belief fantasies, is still different from thinking that they should stab their friend 19 times to kill her as a sacrifice for this slenderman.
I think they need a further pysch eval to figure out what's going on with them to determine how long they need to be in the system for. I'm not sure if 6 yrs would be enough right now.
grapefruit / 4731 posts
Very interesting first comment that kind of blew my "Santa" theory. I am still on the fence of the adult vs child trail though.
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These two girls attempted to intimately murder a friend by repeatedly stabbing her in a secluded environment. Empathic human beings of any age simply do not attempt to stab people to death outside of imminent self-defense of life. While frontal lobe development is still continuing in a 12 year old person, basic regard for life, a basic empathy for other people, and a fundamental intrinsic natural understanding that murdering people is fundamentally immoral should already be fully present by age 12. While the author of this article has a 9 year-old who still believes in Santa and a 13 year-old still wary of a bogeyman under the bed, neither of them are actively contemplating or attempting to kill people.
These two girls have no fundamental empathy for others, no conscience, no intrinsic regard for life. They are not "disturbed" but are fully and irredeemably sociopathic. There's no cure, no therapy which can instill what should be a natural and innate regard for life. Therapy will improve their ability to mimic superficial behaviors in social situations, but they will never be anything beyond a liability and burden to society.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@Raindrop: It's planning the execution of a violent crime that is the issue here, not their belief in a *myth* . . . which is not at all like planning to be good to get a treat at the end of a shopping trip, or planning to get your allowance by doing chores. . . like @Pui: explained, if the first plunge of the knife (it takes a surprising amount of force to stab someone) and/or their friend begging and pleading for her life didn't compel them to stop . . . then their mental capacity (and intestinal fortitude) stands in stark brutal contrast to every other child and adult that I know whose mental capacity could not even bear the thought of planning such a crime, let alone carrying it out.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@Raindrop: I totally agree about their ability to be able to *mimic* appropriate social behaviors, but that they completely lack an innate respect for life.
bananas / 9899 posts
There have been cases of adults acting just as absurdly. One case that comes to mind is the "vampire killers" who killed a man because one of them was a vampire and needed to feed. These were adult women. They didn't get let off easy just because their reason for committing murder was so absurd. I don't think it matters much that these kids said they did this crime to appease a fictional character, it's the nature of the crime that matters.
I'm sure lots of 12-year-olds are interested in the occult and write "spells" and perform "rituals" and believe in evil spirits and even think those evil spirits are cool... but they don't plan and carry out the murder of a classmate.
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
I'm leaning to agreeing with Cole. I don't like how being tried as a juvenile seems to erase what you've done when you turn 18. But I don't want to give up on them either. They are still children.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
I've read several articles on this story now, and it still horrifies me to no end. I think they are correct in trying them as adults. This was an extremely planned, deliberate crime that took months and and months of thought. Maybe I'm just too cold hearted, but I could care less that they're missing out on the rest of their childhood.
The world would be a safer place if they were put away.
grapefruit / 4731 posts
@pinkcupcake: @MsLipGloss: Yes the more I'm reading about this story the more I'm leaning with they should be trailed as adults.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
@pinkcupcake: When I made the mention of missing out on the rest of "life" basically, I made note that THEY themselves personally stripped themself of a future. I didn't say that they should get to experience childhood because they're only 12. But it's a sobering thought that what they've done has taken it away. I agree after reading a few more articles myself that they should be tried as adults. I do think there were serious deeper psychological issues going on.
@MsLipGloss: I found this article which detailed what happened - apparently they had planned how they would do it and "chickened out" twice before actually doing it. http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Girl-Charged-in-Stabbing-is-Mentally-Ill-Attorney-Says-261723691.html
GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts
@Silva: agreed. They are 12, yes they did an awful thing but they are too young to be in prison with adults. They are not adults, they are children. Send them to juvenile detention not prison where they will be eaten alive.
Edit: they need psychological help and it's known that prison is not the place to get that. They need to be committed to a place that will take their mental health seriously, and I would hope maybe the Juvenile system would be better at this, however I'm not sure if that's really the case.
pomelo / 5257 posts
I think in this case it seems reasonable. The crime was planned for so long and was so brutal. I'd be interested to hear more about their mental states after being evaluated by doctors, but it seems to me that they knew what they did was wrong.
Something I don't agree with, however, is I read yesterday that in Wisconsin anyone 10 and older is automatically charged as an adult in cases of homicide or attempted homicide. I think it should be on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket rule.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/wisconsin-stabbing-highlights-juvenile-crime-laws
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@LuLu Mom: they wouldn't be housed with adults (not in a direct contact situation). they would be eligible to receive the same sentence as an adult.
pomegranate / 3791 posts
I think they should be tried as adults for many of the reasons already stated. Trying them as adults does not equal putting them in adult prison, as many seem to think. Clearly they need mental/psychological help and should be put in a place where they can get it. But the idea of these girls being released at age 18 and potentially being able to have their record sealed or expunged, as often happens with crimes committed by minors, is terrifying. There is something wrong at a very deep level for a 12 year old to plan out the murder of their innocent friend, and actually try to carry it out. Pre-teen or adult, someone capable of an act like that needs to be put away and under serious treatment for a very long time for the good of both them self and others.
pomegranate / 3272 posts
I think one of the worst things was that one girl was quoted as saying something like it was weird that she didn't feel any remorse.
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