What does everything think about the emails released by Wikileaks which show that the DNC favored Clinton and worked to undercut Sanders' campaign? I think its awful for Bernie because he really had such great support.
What does everything think about the emails released by Wikileaks which show that the DNC favored Clinton and worked to undercut Sanders' campaign? I think its awful for Bernie because he really had such great support.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
It doesn't surprise me. And Bernie's been claiming that for months now. I'm glad she's Schultz is resigning!
grapefruit / 4545 posts
Not surprising at all...its all a part of the corrupt washington machine...
What is surprising is Clinton hiring her moments later...I would think someone on her campaign would know how bad that looks...
persimmon / 1233 posts
@Adira: @Mrs D: I am so disappointed in Hillary doing this. Doesn't she realize she's already fighting an uphill battle to show she's not corrupt and driven by cronyism?? It's getting harder and harder to defend her, and I might not vote for her if the alternative was remotely acceptable.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@Mrs D: I hadn't heard that Hilary hired her!! I was shocked to even know that Debbie Wasserman Schultz's resignation isn't effective until after the election. She should be fired effective immediately.
coconut / 8430 posts
Wow I don't like that Hillary hired her. I don't really see why it's a huge problem that the DNC was throwing support behind one candidate though. Don't they want the person who seems like the strongest candidate to win? Wasn't Reince Preibus trying to get rid of Trump? It just seems like this is getting way more media time than it really warrants because the emails were leaked.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
I guess Schultz helped run Hillary's 2008 campaign, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised she hired her.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@sunny: But the DNC was working to undercut Bernie's chances. That's just plain not fair to all of the people who really supported Bernie. I think Bernie could have won the nomination over Hilary if the DNC wasn't actively working against him.
grapefruit / 4545 posts
@sunny: I think the difference here is that the anti establishment candidate still came out on top (even with likely RNC manipulation)...whereas Bernie did not.
@hummusgirl: I am admittedly not a fan of hers but I agree that I am perplexed how she could think this doesn't further damage her reputation...
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
I should add that Hillary really should know better than to bring her onto her campaign though. Even if Schultz is a good friend of her's and/or an excellent worker, it just looks bad (especially doing it IMMEDIATELY) and people already have trust issues with Hillary!
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@agold: Her resignation is effective after the convention, not after the election.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@Truth Bombs: Oh, well that's a tad better I suppose. I wonder why not immediately since she isn't going to speak at the convention any more. And I wonder what Bernie will say at the convention!?! I think he is scheduled to talk at it tonight.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
I didn't know what to think once this scandal hit. I was bit afraid what this would do between Hillary and Bernie supporters.
I did read this article that was posted on FB.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/let-me-address-this-ridiculousness-surround-the-dnc-email-hack/
I do admit that the wiki leaks seems to be against Hillary... very suspicious if this was orchestrated by Trump or the RNC.
I am glad to hear Bernie still stands behind Hillary, though.
ETA: I do agree it looks bad that Hilary hired Schultz.
hostess / papaya / 10219 posts
I think this is really common and par for the politics course. I'm not saying it's right but I'm saying that I believe this to happen in every election with both parties.
@Mrs D: Yes the difference is the antiestablishment candidate won on the Republican side. That is the only reason why Trump and RNC are not in a feud as well. Because the exact same stuff happened on the Republican side, but now it's all a big lovefest and "we would never do that".
I don't think the fact that this happens all the time with both political parties has any sway with Sander supporters though. The point is that it just illustrates how crappy the political system is. This illusion of choice is just that. All that said, I agree with Sanders that we are dealing with the system that we have, and in this moment, the important part is to defeat Trump. Despite the fact that I don't agree with the system and probably even Clinton's ethics, it is nothing compared to being set back 50 years of civil rights. I am horrified by Trump and his rhetoric and his dictator style Way more than I am horrified by the corrupt system that has been in place for a very long time.
pear / 1998 posts
I like Hillary Clinton and I am happy she it the candidate, even though I voted for Bernie in the primary.
I'm disappointed in what the emails reveal, even though I'm not surprised.
I think it looks horrible that Clinton hired Wasserman Schultz and I think that Wasserman Schultz should resign immediately and have the convention go on without her.
GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts
I think the emails about emphasizing Bernie's faith (or lack thereof) are total BS. Those are the ones that pissed me off the most. Out of over 1900 emails it seems like only a handful are actually controversial (obviously I didn't read them all but the same select few are the ones that have been referenced in every news article I've read). Not a fan of DWS and disappointed that Hillary brought her onto her campaign. I have read that being a honorary chair is basically a courtesy and she won't have any actual responsibilities or duties, but I don't know much about it other than that.
I don't think things would've turned out differently for Bernie either way. HRC had almost 1,000 more delegates than he did. If they were neck and neck then maybe, but as it stands I don't think it would've changed things. And I say this as someone who voted for Bernie in the primary and donated to his campaign.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@bluestriped bee: Thanks for sharing that article! I hadn't realized many of the e-mails had been sent so late in the campaign after Bernie was already set to lose.
nectarine / 2750 posts
I think it really shows how corrupt our system is (as if we didn't already know). And the fact that Hillary brought her on board the campaign leaves me with little doubt Hillary knew about these emails, contrary to what she says. The whole situation is very frustrating as a voter.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@tlcbaby: I don't think Hillary bringing her onto her campaign means she knew about the e-mails. She worked with Schultz on her campaign in 2008 and presumably the two are friends, so her bringing her onto her campaign again isn't really a surprise.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@lawbee11: Not having any actual duties makes it even more confusing to me. When Hillary already has so much talk of corruption surrounding her, why give an honor to someone in the middle of a corruption scandal??
nectarine / 2750 posts
@Adira: I disagree. It is playing out like a House of Cards episode. "You take the fall to appease the Bernie supporters and I'll bring you on to my campaign a few hours later."
GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts
@Truth Bombs: The impression I got is that they're friends so she's basically throwing her a bone during a tough time. But not a wise move IMO.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@tlcbaby: haha, maybe, but that still doesn't mean she knew about the e-mails! They are presumably friends, so I could see them making that deal, regardless of any prior knowledge of e-mails.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@lawbee11: Yeah, I agree with you. I think they are friends and Hillary brought her on to help her out and because she probably trusts her. But still, doesn't look good!!
pomelo / 5257 posts
Frankly, at this point I'm just hoping this doesn't turn too many people away from voting for Hillary, because after that insane GOP convention we just witnessed, I'm even more afraid of Trump becoming president.
@lawbee11: I agree, not a smart move on her part, and I'm pretty confused why anyone on her campaign would think it was a good idea...
eggplant / 11824 posts
I’m not surprised that they did not treat him fairly, and although I was/am a Bernie supporter (also a Clinton fan who will vote for her), this isn’t really shocking news. You mean that the DNC, the formal governing body for the Democratic Party backed the *Democratic* participant and not the Independent one who only became a democrat within the past couple of years? Of course they did; that’s the point of their organization – to get tried and true Dems elected.
I would bet good money leaked RNC documents would show the same thing for Trump, except that his vote totals were nothing anyone (including the RNC) could impact ultimately. Comparing Sanders and Trump (and the RNC and DNC) and vote totals is apples to oranges. HRC, and Trump, won by wide margins. I'm not saying that would make things "right" - just that perhaps scandal isn't so much the appropriate term.
Many of the emails being lauded as most scandalous are far from: lower-level staffers asking if they could start a smear campaign against Sanders saying his campaign is disorganized....followed by emails from higher-ups telling them no, they could not do that. The ones about atheism are frustrating to me. They are true - voters as a block won't support an atheist, but it's disappointing to see the DNC play that card.
It also doesn’t surprise me that WikiLeaks did this, now, days before the convention, given their founder’s political affiliation. It’s all politics as usual, *all around*.
That said, I am pissed that HRC “hired” (the title DWS has is “honorary” so don’t know if hired is the right word? Either way, irritating as hell) DWS immediately after. Yet another scandal to investigate ad nauseam – this time helped along by HRC herself. This is our election to lose, and we’re trying our best to do it. I don’t care how far back they go, there was no need for HRC to bring in DWS immediately after in the middle of everything.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@Adira: But if you take that view point, and spin it the way the public and media will, it becomes "it's no surprise Hillary would put her friendship with someone above running a non-corrupt campaign". It shouldn't be that way.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@yoursilverlining: Agree with everything you wrote! Hillary should've waited at least until after the convention or something to hire her. Or maybe she's hoping that with everyone going on with the convention, it'll drown out this one thing and people will forget about it because there will be so many other things to talk about this week? Whereas if she waited until after, it would be the new NEWS and might minimize everything else that happens during the convention?
grapefruit / 4800 posts
I don't think its at all surprising to anyone following the election.. She had close ties to Clinton before starting the election, and honestly Sanders as an underdog probably should be put through the wringer a bit if he was going to get past the republican candidate. I don't think it's great but it's unsurprising.
@bluestriped bee: that article references a debunked incident and makes Schultz look bad to me. That was the point where in my mind there was zero doubt she was 100% in Clintons camp. http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/ She repeated it numerous times after it had been debunked, she actively campaigned for Clinton throughout.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Truth Bombs: Well, if you read the article that @bluestriped bee: posted, those e-mails don't seem nearly as scandalous as Bernie supporters and Republicans are making them out to be. Most of them about "He won't be president" were made in late April/May when Bernie no longer had a chance at winning. The religion one is AWFUL, but it wasn't made by Schultz, and you'll recall, Bernie's religion was never used against him.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
@Maysprout: Ahh, thanks. I was surprised to hear about the violence part. That was news to me. It was probably debunked which is why I didn't hear about it until now.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@Adira: But I'm not even speaking to the scandal and how scandalous it really was. I'm speaking to the public perception. I'm a registered Republican, and don't care for Hillary, but Trump scares the hell out of me. It's infuriating to see Hillary make a move that could lose her voters, for literally no benefit other than 'helping out a friend'. Does it suck that her friend got wrapped into something that's being blown out of proportion? Of course it does. But securing the Presidency should be a hell of a lot more important than giving her friend an honorary title.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Truth Bombs: Oh, I totally agree with you. It often feels like Hillary is just sabotaging herself, and with someone like Trump in the race, she really should be doing everything she can to get elected!
I just hope that most people forget that this even happened and can get behind her before November.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Truth Bombs: That's what makes it most frustrating for me, too. She doesn't have to help out DWS right now (I mean, geez, all she had to do was wait a few weeks and something else will have grabbed the headlines) and she did, which only furthers the fire that she is corrupt. Like you said, there is literally no benefit that I see, and a huge risk of cost votes.
pomegranate / 3127 posts
It's not pretty at all. Couldn't the members of the DNC keep their preferences to themselves until after the nomination? Not that I really think they had any influence over the way things shook out.
@sunny: yes, didn't the republicans also try to influence who wins and keep Trump out? Didn't work!
@Mrs D: huh? What is Clinton thinking? That's just ridiculous. Hiring her after that...
I mean, this is still nothing on the level of hanging chads and fake chemical weapons... and we elected that guy twice. If that's the woman I have to vote for to keep a possible nut case out of the White House, I'll still do it.
coconut / 8430 posts
@yoursilverlining: wow I didn't realize the close ties that Julian Assange had to that Russian government.
I seem to recall from a tv show (maybe West Wing or was it Scandal?? ) that interfering/influencing American elections with foreign money was highly illegal. Why isn't anyone talking about that??
hostess / papaya / 10219 posts
This convention is in chaos. I'm so frustrated. They just reported on NPR that a new pew research poll says that 90% of loyal Bernie supporters still plan to vote for Hillary. That the base is unified but the delegates are not. This whole thing and now the delegates for Bernie are going to put Trump in the White House.
grapefruit / 4361 posts
Like a previous poster said, I am not surprised that the Democratic National Convention was backing the long-term Democrat, not the Independent that caucuses with the Democrats.
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