Agree?
ETA--Here is the actual quote: "The most important job any woman can have is being a mother."
Agree?
ETA--Here is the actual quote: "The most important job any woman can have is being a mother."
76 votes
honeydew / 7968 posts
i didn't watch the video, but that's ridiculous. what about women who don't have kids? she should rephrase that.
persimmon / 1431 posts
I didn't read the article, but I hate her based on that statement alone.
pomelo / 5220 posts
mmmm.... I saw her new campaign ad on behalf of her dad and was just shaking my head the whole time. I'm so glad that my entire life should be focused on being a mother, forget my doctorate degree and career.
nectarine / 2461 posts
ugh, how about being a father is a man's most important job? I read in the NYT that the guy who ghost-wrote Trump's "autobiography" stated in an interview that he spent absolutely no time with his kids when they were young, and the few times Ivanna brought them around the office he couldn't have been less interested.
pomelo / 5257 posts
@tequiero21: right? That was my thought. I guess they're just doomed to jobs that aren't quite important enough 🙄
cantaloupe / 6171 posts
Is being a parent a huge part of my identity and my top priority as an individual? Yes. (Notice I said parent, because if I was male being a father would be just as important to me as being a mother is to me as a female.)
Is a woman's--meaning ALL women, regardless of whether or not they currently have or are planning to have children--most important job being a mother? No. I believe parenthood should be a choice individuals make for themselves, and that one's identity and priorities aren't determined by biological sex.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
If you're a parent, then yes I think that's your most important job male or female.
persimmon / 1188 posts
Obviously not all women are mothers or want to be mothers so this is ridiculous. I do think being a parent is a parent's most important job but I believe it is equal for both parents. Even in a family where one parent works and the other is primarily with the children, in my opinion the working parent's number one should always be family.
pomelo / 5257 posts
I agree it may be the most important job to the individual woman herself, but I don't think it's inherently, objectively the most important. Let's say a woman has a job through which she literally saves lives. Is raising one, two, etc. kids really more important than saving numerous lives? Because Ivanka's quote is that it's the most important job a woman CAN have.
pear / 1593 posts
My role as a mother is the most important job in my life personally, but I'm not going to make a blanket statement for others. And I almost want to say no it isn't just because Trump camp said it is
I agree with @catomd00: though
ETA: and that commercial nauseates me because just bc Ivanka spits out some words that say her dad supports woman, he so obviously does not at all.
eggplant / 11824 posts
So, I do think that in my life, the most important thing I will do is to raise, sculpt and influence my child(ren) - - if I have children. It is a requirement of me as a parent, NOT as a woman.
I find that comments like Ivanka's are almost always paired with nasty anti-feminist undercurrents, just like "family values" comments rarely have much at all to do with promoting and uplifting families.
hostess / papaya / 10219 posts
All depends on the woman. So no, a sweeping statement like that is silly.
honeydew / 7463 posts
I think her statement was probably poorly worded. Worded as is, I disagree with it.
I think her sentiment was probably that for a mother, being a mother is the most important job. She didn't say only job.
*ETA: I HOPE that was her sentiment. I shouldn't say probably.
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
Do I feel like it's one of the most important things in my life, because I am a parent? Personally, yes. Do I believe or agree with that video. No.
grapefruit / 4649 posts
I haven't read the article but the first thing that popped into my head is that I'm 99% sure they had an army of help including nannies. I definitely don't think having help makes you less of a parent but I think it is easier with that level of help changes the game a bit. I heard Trump in an interview say something about being willing to have more kids because he would just hire more nannies, the fact that his answer wasn't "my wife is so amazing with our children and has raised lovely people." kind of gave me the impression they both went exactly hands on parents.
Being a nanny and interviewing with (never accepting this type of post though) some very, very well to do and high profile people who were incredibly hands off parents had kind of made me skeptical. Parenting opinions of people who barely parent aren't worth much to me.
Edit- well clearly I went off half cocked there. This wasn't from his wife but rather his daughter, I have no clue what kind of parent any of them really are but I can't say I have much respect for any of their opinions on women's issues.
pomelo / 5573 posts
I think being a mother is /my/ most important job, because I don't think there's anything in my life as essential and as important to me as raising happy kind thoughtful people. I think being a father is my husband's most important job. I do NOT think that being a mother is a woman's most important job.
cantaloupe / 6059 posts
@catomd00: 100% yes. I agree with @yoursilverling: too, that as a parent it's a huge role and responsibility to shape and influence a child and that the gravity of that isn't lost on me and because of that it's my most important job and I really think it should be any parent's.
I think some are taking the phrase a little too literally - I don't think she was asserting that all women need to be mothers at all.
pomegranate / 3973 posts
@coopsmama: Agreed.
As a mother, raising my child(ren) is my most important job, regardless of how I spend my time between 8 and 5.
I think using her opening statement alone is taking it out of context since she's talking about maternity leave / labor laws for working MOTHERS, not women in general.
persimmon / 1095 posts
I don't think it is the most important job. It is important, but so is my work (I am the only income), and my relationship with my family (husband, parents, in-laws).
All of these are extremely important to me and some will be more important at times than others.
pomegranate / 3127 posts
I don't disagree with her that being a mother is a *mother's* most important job, but in the context of it coming out of Trump's campaign, this is a very damaging thing to say. Because she's not saying it as her personal opinion - if the Donald is elected, this attitude will make its way into government policy, and it won't necessarily be in the form of better maternity leave. It might just as easily take the form of a government where sexual harassment is OK (because why aren't you at home being a mommy? leeer), women are discouraged from working, access to birth control is a distant memory, and support for all the babies born as a result of no birth control is nil (because this is after all the party that seems to think that if you're not rich, you have no business being a mother either).
eggplant / 11824 posts
@josina: I think it's actually think it's worse to make statements like hers when you're talking about maternity leave policies. Why does she have to discount or rank the importance of the duties working mothers have? There are plenty of arguments to make to employers of how providing mat leave will benefit them, or benefit society on the whole (financially and otherwise); I don't think it's a persuasive argument to offer that the work your female employees do should be second in importantance to any other work.
I think it insinuates that female workers will give less than 100%, because their "most important" work lies at home.
pomegranate / 3973 posts
@yoursilverlining: I would agree with you if it wasn't a 30 second commercial that is geared toward the working mother vs. the employer. And her last statement is about supporting a woman's family AND her career. Maybe she has said more about it though that I haven't read.
Personally I wouldn't criticize anyone right now who wants to improve on the horrible parental leave we currently have in the U.S.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
I like Ivanka. She does a great service for women who choose to be working moms. However, quotes like this are quite irritating. Yes, I take my responsibility to raise a decent human being, but my life's mission was not to be a mom.
cantaloupe / 6687 posts
Agree with others that for me and DH being a parent is the most important job of our lives. But totally disagree that being a mom/dad is the most important job for every person.
Our kids are our top priority - more important than anything in our careers/jobs. We would walk away from a big promotion if for some reason our kids needed us to be with them (health condition etc). Of course a job allows us to provide for our kids so that is part of being a good parent. For me, at the end of my life I would regret failing my kids at the expense of my job/career but I would never regret not being the most successful at my job bc I chose to be there for my kids. Raising my kids to be kind and happy and equipping them to lead fulfilling lives is more important than any other job to me.
persimmon / 1445 posts
I think that being a parent is the most important job a parent has, regardless of whether they are a man or a woman. Lots of women don't have kids though and I don't think they are missing their higher purpose just because they made a lifestyle choice (or couldn't have kids for some other reason).
GOLD / nectarine / 2884 posts
I believe that the most important thing a parent will do is shape his/her hildren.
I believe that the idea that "being a parent s the most important job ever" attitude causes parents to be over involved and to derive too much of their own identity out of their experience as parents. In short, if you derive your identity from being a parent you put too much pressure on your child to live up to that weight.
My feeling is, I am not responsible FOR my children as much as I am TO my children.
For me, focusing solely on parenting brings feelings of anxiety and depression. I said to my mom (a lifelong SAHM), if I can't bring my best to my kids, I want them to have someone else's best. So for me, part of being a good mom is knowing when I'm over investing in the role and pushing back from that.
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