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Kavanaugh vs Ford

  • poll: Who do you believe?
    I believe HER, but it’s in the PAST : (8 votes)
    11 %
    I believe HER and it’s a BIG deal even NOW : (60 votes)
    81 %
    I believe HIM : (4 votes)
    5 %
    8 is Enough! : (2 votes)
    3 %
  1. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @Adira: that's.... good? I think? I mean, I just can't see an FBI investigation turning up anything conclusive, between this being years ago and most of the participants being very drunk. But the gesture of doing an investigation is better than them trying to sweep the allegations under the rug.

  2. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @Adira: I'm not understanding how he is giving the FBI 1 week to complete their investigation. Is that even a thing? I didnt realize FBI investigations could be completed with such a quick turnaround

  3. snowjewelz

    wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts

    @Mrsbells: That's what I thought, pretty much amounts to nothing??

  4. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @Mrsbells: Anita Hill’s allegations were investigated by the FBI within 3 days. This is why the Dems kept requesting one when the accusation first became public. It just doesn’t take that long to do.

  5. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @Mrsbells: I guess the idea is that there's no evidence to review, not even emails or cell phone records because it was too long ago for that. They just talk to possible witnesses. That may be doable in a week, if they know who the witnesses are. Of course more time would be better if they need to track people down first.

  6. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @Mama Bird: @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: @snowjewelz: Interesting... Lets see what happens in the next week!

  7. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    Agree with you all - Flake's definitely doing it for the optics. BUT he's at least doing it, which is more than you can say for most of the Republicans. It sounds like he said he'd vote no during the general floor vote without this investigation, and Murkowski backed him up, which means the GOP wouldn't have the votes. I'm pretty disappointed in Collins right now, but at least two of the GOP are trying not to be the worst of the worst.

    Presumably the FBI won't be able to conclude what really did happen 36 years ago, but hopefully they'll be able to talk to more witnesses and get a better account of whether Dr. Ford's allegations are credible. Though I'm not sure the GOP even really care? My guess is they'll just say "Like we thought, there's no way to know, and we 'can't ruin a guy's life over unsubstantiated allegations.' We're going to confirm him!" And then they'll try to claim they did everything they could to get to the bottom of this. Blah blah blah.

  8. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

  9. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    Do they have to prove her truth or can they just prove he was lying under oath and tear away his credibility so they don’t confirm?

  10. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @808love: thanks for the 60 Minutes link. If his drinking is investigated then that right there proves he lied. Unless the President or the Judge himself withdraws his nomination I don’t think the Senate still votes for him. Depending on the FBI’s report some on-the-fence Republicans will finally decide how they plan to vote.

  11. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts

    I’m also seeing thia morning it appears there were text messages from Kavanaugh trying to stop this from getting out? And he won’t be teaching his Harvard class this year. It’s not enough but I hope he doesn’t get out of this with no repercussions

  12. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts

    I also saw this, just besides his awful personality what’s his record as a judge? What are so many documents not available to the senate?

    Is anyone following the suit against the national archives from Blumenthal?

  13. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    I wanted to share this article--it's long, but really well done.


    @808love: The fact that he lied under oath, and that's 100 percent fact (the above outlines it in detail), should be enough. But I don't think it will be, unfortunately. What I think will happen is they'll continue to say they can't "prove" Dr. Ford is "remembering correctly" and they also don't have "absolute proof" he was lying (which is BS)--or they'll just ignore the lies entirely--and then they'll just confirm him. Because the issue is that it's not that they don't believe her, it's that they just don't care.

  14. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    So this pause is giving people a chance to think with reason and information. It's about his credibility.
    I wouldn't hire him based on his interview and background check. Also, all hiring/recruiter staff know not to judge on resume alone.

  15. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @MrsSCB: This is a fantastic analysis!! And exactly why he's unfit to serve on the Supreme Court! Even if you're not sure one way or the other about him vs. Ford, it's sooooo obvious that he's lying under oath AND does not have the temperament/impartiality to be a Supreme Court Justice.

  16. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @Adira: yeah. I keep thinking that if he's approved, heaven forbid one of the people accusing him ever has a case before the Supreme Court. He doesn't give the impression of being impartial.

  17. snowjewelz

    wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts

    @MrsSCB: I read the whole thing and it's just so painfully obvious. It's sad to me that even before this happen, his record as a judge has already shown what kind of a man he is and the fact that he rose to the point of where he is now, shows how messed up our whole system is

  18. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    @Adira: @snowjewelz: Yes, it is so ridiculously transparent! But I'm sure the congresspeople who want to confirm him will just play dumb. "Well, we don't *know* that 'devil's triangle' wasn't a drinking game in *his* circle..." Oh, so it just coincidentally has never been recorded in the English language as meaning what he said, while it does have a very well-known meaning that's entirely different. OK.

  19. snowjewelz

    wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts

    @MrsSCB: It's just so laughable. Like, if I want to lie, I at least would do it in a better way. He just out right ignores questions, says something totally different, or completely make stuff up thinking that no one would know. Howwwww did we get here.

  20. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts

    @snowjewelz: it’s the Donald trump school of being a man baby

  21. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    Here's the accompanying video that goes with that article.


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