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@Adira: that's.... good? I think? I mean, I just can't see an FBI investigation turning up anything conclusive, between this being years ago and most of the participants being very drunk. But the gesture of doing an investigation is better than them trying to sweep the allegations under the rug.

@Mrsbells: That's what I thought, pretty much amounts to nothing??

@Mrsbells: I guess the idea is that there's no evidence to review, not even emails or cell phone records because it was too long ago for that. They just talk to possible witnesses. That may be doable in a week, if they know who the witnesses are. Of course more time would be better if they need to track people down first.

Agree with you all - Flake's definitely doing it for the optics. BUT he's at least doing it, which is more than you can say for most of the Republicans. It sounds like he said he'd vote no during the general floor vote without this investigation, and Murkowski backed him up, which means the GOP wouldn't have the votes. I'm pretty disappointed in Collins right now, but at least two of the GOP are trying not to be the worst of the worst.

Presumably the FBI won't be able to conclude what really did happen 36 years ago, but hopefully they'll be able to talk to more witnesses and get a better account of whether Dr. Ford's allegations are credible. Though I'm not sure the GOP even really care? My guess is they'll just say "Like we thought, there's no way to know, and we 'can't ruin a guy's life over unsubstantiated allegations.' We're going to confirm him!" And then they'll try to claim they did everything they could to get to the bottom of this. Blah blah blah.

Do they have to prove her truth or can they just prove he was lying under oath and tear away his credibility so they don’t confirm?

I’m also seeing thia morning it appears there were text messages from Kavanaugh trying to stop this from getting out? And he won’t be teaching his Harvard class this year. It’s not enough but I hope he doesn’t get out of this with no repercussions

I wanted to share this article--it's long, but really well done.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

@808love: The fact that he lied under oath, and that's 100 percent fact (the above outlines it in detail), should be enough. But I don't think it will be, unfortunately. What I think will happen is they'll continue to say they can't "prove" Dr. Ford is "remembering correctly" and they also don't have "absolute proof" he was lying (which is BS)--or they'll just ignore the lies entirely--and then they'll just confirm him. Because the issue is that it's not that they don't believe her, it's that they just don't care.

@MrsSCB: This is a fantastic analysis!! And exactly why he's unfit to serve on the Supreme Court! Even if you're not sure one way or the other about him vs. Ford, it's sooooo obvious that he's lying under oath AND does not have the temperament/impartiality to be a Supreme Court Justice.

@MrsSCB: I read the whole thing and it's just so painfully obvious. It's sad to me that even before this happen, his record as a judge has already shown what kind of a man he is and the fact that he rose to the point of where he is now, shows how messed up our whole system is

@MrsSCB: It's just so laughable. Like, if I want to lie, I at least would do it in a better way. He just out right ignores questions, says something totally different, or completely make stuff up thinking that no one would know. Howwwww did we get here.

Here's the accompanying video that goes with that article.