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@anonysquire: Well how fortunate for you that your baby is safe and healthy, but maybe you should consider your words to a parent who has lose their child as you tell Ms. Badger that if a child gets a disease and it doesn't end well, that was just supposed to happen and it's life. How on earth do you think it is even remotely okay to say something like that, particularly to her? I am furious for her right now.

And as far as you telling people to go complain on GOMI instead, I'll pass. I prefer to tell people directly when I think their behavior is insensitive and appalling. I won't even bother pointing out the multitude of other things that are wrong with your post because I know you don't really care or want to discuss it, but seriously, look beyond yourself for half a second and think before you say something so flippant to a mother who you know has lost their child.

@anonysquire: Doesn't your daughter wear some kind of helmet to help correct something(sorry I can't remember the exact reason) Why have her wear it? Isn't how her head is in God's plan?

@anonysquire: it's actually not sarcasm. It's a question. You're so into "God's plan" I'm curious as to your reasoning behind the helmet.

@anonysquire: the point isn't what the medical issue is. The question is why is a helmet in god's plan but not vaccines?

I can't wait for this small subset of society to swing back to believing in science and medicine again. Unfortunately, some of those kids will probably die or be seriously injured in the process, and so will innocent immunicompromised persons. Maybe it'll get so bad that the government has to step in and nix this exemption process.

My dad actually believes that vaccines are used for "population control". So.....yeah. Wrap your brain around that ridiculous concept.

@blackbird: My dad has to be in the hospital right now for certain treatments. He has zero. ZEEERO. Immunities. There is an influenza outbreak in our city right now and the doctors were sending him home to lessen the chance of his catching something from the hospital (along with the fact that he was feeling ok). It is scary knowing he's there and people who dont give a shit or are too ignorant could kill him right now.

@blackbird: Agree. Waiting for this trend to be over. Or for the government to get sick of it and require at LEAST those children attending public schools to be vaxxed unless they have a medical exemption.

It is really frustrating because I see a ton of this right now. I joined a "natural parenting" fb group for my city because I do agree with a lot their viewpoints (blw, cloth diapering, baby wearing, a gentler approach to parenting, etc) but MOST of the people on the group are either anti-vaxxers or selective vaxxers. Or at least most of the people who post about vaccines are (I've never seen a person *admit* to being a traditional vaxxer). They also all glom onto this one local ped who doesn't hassle them about non-vaxxing, because most around here do (like for example, my pediatrician won't take your child as a patient at all unless you agree to a traditional vax schedule). And a lot of them refuse doctors at all and say doctors only make you sicker and they treat pretty much all illnesses with infusions and essential oils and whatever. Needless to say I'm not really looking for mommy friends in that group

@.twist.: So sad and frustrating that he has to be home to be safer. At what point can you specifically blame one person for causing harm and hold them responsible? They're gambling with others' lives. Grrr. I hope he's ok.

@Mae: YES with the parenting groups. I see it all the time with my local one and I have yet to see anyone make an argument that sounds legit. Half the time it's "should I vax my child? What do you think" It's all monstrous skepticism and lack of education regarding what vaccines actually DO and what they don't do.

Don't even get me started on those goddamned oils.

Did anyone listen to Freakonomics' podcast on vaccines? Worth a listen! http://freakonomics.com/2015/01/08/why-doesnt-everyone-get-the-flu-vaccine-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/?amp&amp&amp

D also has an immune disorder and is more at risk. I hate that some parents willfully choose not to vaccinate and put so many vulnerable people at risk.

@jedeve: Yes, I did and I thought it was a good listen.

@.twist.: gah. if only there was a vaccine for the common cold. I'd be first in line!

@loveisstrange: YES they are! Doterra and Young Living are under the scope. Because they falsely claim to cure shit they can't. But the damage is done. People have bought into the hokey science of it. And i'm cool with oils and aromatherapy for certain things but curing diseases? Drawing a virus out of a body? Giving them to an infant? EEK. Come on.

@loveisstrange: I mean, talk about fear-mongering... "You might get ebola here in the U.S. even though doctors are saying that's virtually impossible!!! So you better buy some of these oils or else!" Geez...

@spaniellove: No.They.Didn't. Cure Deafness? Are you for real? I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. If only you would have been told this by the doctors! Therapy? HA! Sign Language! ANCIENT! Try our fancy deaf curing oils!

@jedeve: I love Freakonomics and recommend the vaccine podcast as well.

Just wanted to link this article:
http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-measles-huntington-beach-20150121-story.html#page=1

It seems that any school in Orange Country that has a student with confirmed measles will start barring all unvaccinated students for 21 days. This has happened in 1 high school so far. Additionally, 5 Disney employees have measles. It seems we may only be at the beginning of this outbreak.

I hope that all OC Bees (especially those with little ones who haven't yet been vaccinated) keep their children away from anyone with any signs or symptoms of colds, as measles first presents and is contagious with coughing and sneezing before the rash appears.

@Ms.Badger: That seems like a wise decision by the health officials. It does suck for the kids who physically aren't able to get vaccinated and have to miss school, though. I have a friend who lives in Orange County, and her kids' school did the same thing when they had a student with the measles a little while ago (not related to this current outbreak). They kept all the unvaccinated kids out of school for a certain period of time. This was a private school, though, and I think that decision was made at the school admin level.

@Ms.Badger: @MrsSCB: I think that was the right call. Scary to be in The OC right now.

Another thing is, the MMR vaccine requires 2 doses for you to be considered fully protected. The second dose isn't usually administered until a child is 4-6 years, so a lot of children under the age of 4 are still at risk even if they've been vaccinated.

I just got my daughter her second dose, but my son only has one of his two MMR shots so far. Really hoping that protection is enough.

Exemption rates have been climbing - anyone in California can look up their local Kindergarten's exemption rates through this site: http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/immunization-levels-california/

@MrsSCB: people with autoimmune diseases are actually encouraged to get all their vaccines... Sometimes certain live viruses have to be delayed for a few immunosuppressed kids... But otherwise we get those vaccines into vulnerable kids!

@Mrs. Jacks: I know, my mom who has an autoimmune disease definitely gets all hers. I don't think I said they shouldn't get them?