cantaloupe / 6730 posts
If some people feel it would help them, then I don't see the harm. From the looks of this thread, the feature wouldn't be used that often so I doubt it would change the community feel of the site.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Arden: I understand that some posters have left because they felt bullied – I guess what I’m saying is perhaps that the “bullying” was in the eye of the holder – though it’s also possible I missed some drama.
In the case of at least one poster who left, there was definitely very mutual “antagonism” and posting inflammatory statements only to call “bully” when questioned/called out on those statements later on; which is different from being truly relentlessly bullied to the point of being driven away from somewhere. I guess I agree with @MamaMoose and @Twist and others who have said they think the term “bully” is being misapplied in many cases.
Either way though, if people feel they are being truly bullied, they should flag and report the activity to a moderator and then maybe the moderator could reach out to the offender personally, if the language/response really was bullying behavior. Sometimes tone is hard to read and people may be coming across harsher than they mean. I think some people also look for drama in any response that isn't super neutral or sweet, but like I said, maybe I have a higher tolerance for snark/mean than others (in fact, I know I do).
grapefruit / 4311 posts
I agree with those who say we are adults and shouldn't need these features. I certainly wouldn't use them.
Then again, I'm not someone who puts much energy into debating online. I notice some users are more "aggressive" with their opinions, but wouldn't call it bullying by any means.
grapefruit / 4903 posts
I wouldn't use these. I would prefer to see community policies that more specifically address concerns than to see resources directed towards creating these tools.
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
@Anagram: You wrote exactly what I would have written.
First things first, lets keep it real, how many people are opposed to this, but have used the hide and/block features on FB? Just because someone doesn't have a need for something at time, doesn't mean there isn't a need for it. This community is still small and these occurances are obviously not extremely common, but as the community grows so will the problems. This is probably part why people don't understand the need for these types of changes, if you're in the large majority of users that has never had issues with someone else, you might not be able to understand the viewpoint of those in the minority because you haven't walked in their shoes...at least not yet. I see no reason to not try and be proactive now before things snowball. Moderating gets so tricky and if people are in an uproar about this, it's nothing compared to the reactions to stricter policies. I would rather see someone use the mute and block features if it would prevent people from no longer being allowed to use the site. It's like Gold, don't like it, you don't have to use it. But, it doesn't hurt to have options for people. Shoot, I don't like mint chocolate chip ice cream, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be a flavor option in an ice cream shop.
pomelo / 5000 posts
@Boogs: do you really not like mint chocolate chip ice cream? It's one of my favorites!
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
@Happygal: Lol I really don't! I realize I might be in the minority on that.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
@Boogs: this. Also, I think there are lurkers out there who like one or both of these features but don't want to comment for one reason or another. I almost didn't post last night. I had to really think about my response before posting. Oh, just look at the page views, people are definitely reading it. (I like numbers so out of 1027 page views only 127 comments. Only 12%!) A poll would be nice but I know that it can be inflated. (Yeah, page views can also be inflated, too, I know.)
Oh, I don't like mint chocolate chip ice cream, either, but I did find a local ice cream place that makes a mint stracciatella. It's made out of real fresh mint and it is heaven in a cup.
pomegranate / 3383 posts
@Boogs: I love mint chocolate chip but I like your comment even more. Well said!
I do find some posters abrasive and generally don't like their tone but I just avoid them. I don't think I would use the mute/block features but I can see them being beneficial to those who think they're continually being targeted.
eggplant / 11408 posts
@bluestriped bee: @Sammyfab: @Boogs: you girls are fabulous, can I just say that?! Boogs, that was very well said. You can come have ice cream with me anytime! There's a nice gelateria up the street that will do quite well
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
@bluestriped bee: there are probably also people like me who have opened this multiple times to see where it's going.
@Boogs: you make a good point. I see HB as different than fb though since fb you decide whose posts you see in the first place. But that's some food for thought.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
@googly-eyes: oh, yeah. I know. I've opened this thread a few times, too. 12% is still low.
cantaloupe / 6800 posts
I don't know that I would use either of these, but then again..I love to watch me some drama on the interwebz.
See, maybe it's because I've been around for a while but I know exactly who the people who've left because of "bullying" are, and I am very aware of who the "bullies" are that are currently here.. but since we are all talking about being adults here, lets be honest - they aren't bullying anyone, they're just bitchy people in general, so the responses they have come off that way. If you keep butting heads with everyone, chances are..you're the problem, ya know?
I don't really care for either of these new ideas, but if I had to chose one..it'd be mute over blocking. I don't particularly care for moderators either but I think I would prefer that over blocking.
honeydew / 7295 posts
Even though its not my experience I think harassment is never something we should turn a blind eye to. Yeah we are all adults and you know what we still need police and judges and governing because the plain fact is that civilization is built on these systems. Some people have committed suicide over Internet bullying. Words can be very powerful things. I don't think we should completely water down our lives for this and I want to maintain honesty as much as possible but abuse or disrespect are not okay. They are not what this community should stand for and we should aim to protect people who feel that way. I think that is the goal here. Yes we are adults. Adults who don't always know where to draw the line. This includes me. I always have good intentions but who knows. At the end of the day I feel like what matters most is maintaining our integrity and that means giving options to those who feel abused. I think that is what this post is trying to accomplish. A happy compromise for everyone.
bananas / 9899 posts
I don't mind these ideas, but I don't think I would use either. I'd rather just ignore threads I don't like, which I already do.
wonderful cherry / 21504 posts
@bluestriped bee: I've been following along but not commenting, so I'm definitely part of the "lurkers" until now.
I don't have a strong feeling on either option. I don't think I'd use them, but if others would, that's fine with me.
I can't say I've noticed a big change in tone overall, but I definitely have noticed a few threads where the the comments do sort of jump down the original poster's throat. I haven't noticed that it's always the same commenters, but I haven't looked, really. And I can think of a couple of people who were regular posters who disappeared and I wondered about them, and I DID assume they left because others sometimes disagreed very enthusiastically with them.
Mostly I'm a little sad that it would come to this, but if this might help, good.
pomelo / 5509 posts
@MrsTiz: I have to agree with you. I don't think anyone on here is a true "bully", at least not from what I have seen, but I do think some posters might just be...well, not nice people in general, probably online and IRL. When I see comments that maybe some people would view as harassing, I just think "Yeah but the commenter is always a jerk, so obviously ignore her."
Clearly not everyone can ignore or not take some things personally, though, and I can see how feelings could be hurt. I think it stinks that some posters feel the need to be intentionally nasty, but I guess it's just their personality.
Personally, I wouldn't use either feature, but I think mute could work for people who don't want to read what certain people have to say. Block is a little overboard and would just create more drama.
grapefruit / 4441 posts
@Boogs: I agree with you. I am happy to admit I use the "hide feed" function on Facebook and love it. I have certain acquaintances from high school that have very different views from me on gay marriage, gun control, etc. While I would always ignore their posts and not comment, sometimes their comments would make my blood boil a little bit. It was so nice just to hide their feeds and not be bothered...especially around election time, etc. So I can see how it might be useful here. The trouble is, I'm not sure the people that *should* use the mute button would actually use it... I've seen lots of threads where I wonder why a commenter couldn't just move along when it's obvious he/she had a problem with the poster or the topic (e.g., "crowd sourcing type posts").
As I said, I think blocking is unnecessary/likely to cause more problems, but I can see how it might also be nice to be able to hide your own ability to see comments from a person who always seems to want to argue with you/be nasty. There are a couple people whose comments I might hide. Not necessarily because they have upset me personally, but because I don't like how they talk to other people. You can't do that in real life, but if it's possible here, why not? I'm all about avoiding unnecessary stress.
apricot / 409 posts
I've lurked for a long time but am an infrequent contributor (mainly due to only using HB on my phone.) I have noticed a change in the tone of some posts. I think mute would be helpful, but I really think the focus should be on the policies for the site/boards and direct, private communication to the individuals who are repeat-offenders. I don't visit any other boards so I don't know if this is considered moderating, but I feel like we should focus on communicating without being vague in situations like this. Like has been mentioned, some people may not realize they're coming off in an abrasive manner and we should give them the opportunity to modify their behavior and not just individually mute it because then there's no chance for improvement.
nectarine / 2591 posts
Being in a different timezone I often come in at the end of posts, so I see the whole picture. Yes, there are people who are rude and bully. One particular user makes me uncomfortable enough to not want to participate, especially of my opinion is different from hers. However I don't see either of these solutions working. I can not mute or block this user because they are mostly awful in comments, not their own posts.
If you see this is going on @Mrbee: then step in, as the only person with the authority to do so it is only right. Change the community policy to protect others.
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