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I'm voting libertarian. I pretty much always do anyways, but this time I think we'll get a lot more votes for the "middle guy'.
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I just wanted to say Thank God. I was worried to open this post, but phew, sooooo glad.
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@travellingbee: just yes.
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@jaguar: I totally agree. As an American living abroad, I see how far-reaching and how deep American influence is. All of my non US friends are just as anxious about the elections as I am.
And to answer the initial question, yes, I would/will vote for HRC in the general election.
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Can't Justin Trudeau just govern Canada's 14th province??
For real though...if I was American I would vote for whomever the fuck was on the democratic ticket, in order to NOT in any way be supportive of a trump presidency. In reality the Democratic Party is far too centrist for me and I don't think either candidate is very inspiring but man...trump....how many companies/products has he run into the ground, and people still think he can run a country???
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@ScarletBegonia: sigh. I love Justin Trudeau.
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I was hoping to vote for Bernie (I'm an overseas voter, registered in CA). I will end up voting for HRC. There's no way in hell I'd vote Trump and IMO, a write-in is as good as not voting.
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I just want to say a big thank you to everyone who's been contributing in this thread! I think that for the most part, we've kept the discussion pretty civil, so bravo!
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@winniebee: @ScarletBegonia: I feel like Cory Booker is our future Justin Trudeau. Except single. =) =) =) I have a total crush on him.
He did an EBT challenge (but actually finished it, unlike most celebrities) where he tried to live for a full month on just the EBT payment. AND he moved into one of Newark's worst neighborhoods and apartment buildings and lived there for like 2 years as a young professional, so he could experience how those people live. He's extremely altruistic. And brilliant.
Did I mention I have a crush on him?
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@Anagram: I can see why you do! He's also easy on the eyes
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@Anagram: My FIL has a friend he was a firefighter with that now works for Cory Booker. Somehow he arranged for a bunch of firefighters to go down to DC and they got to bowl at the White House (my FIL included).
Then when our daughter was born my FIL pulled some strings via the Cory Booker connection and we ended up with a handwritten letter from Elizabeth Warren (our senator) welcoming our daughter into the world! I'm sure that Cory himself didn't have anything to do with that but it was still fun!
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@petitenoisette: oh wow, lucky! He's coming close to where I work soon to do a book signing, and I'm totally considering being a geeky fangirl and paying for a ticket to go and see him in person and get a book signed! I would have to bring my kids, so I can't imagine it would be super fun for them.....but it would be super fun for me!!
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@Anagram: He is the best! I can totally see him being HRC's VP. I think it's between him and Julio Castro. I think either of them will be a good partner to quell the argument that she can be bought and is too much a part of Washington. As mayor, Cory Booker went out and helped people himself who reached out to him on twitter! He's for the people, for sure.
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@Anagram: yes I love him! He's great!
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@Mrs D: I just wanted to say I really hope Kasich is (somehow) the nominee. He expanded Medicaid in Ohio. He came to talk to legislators in my state and one of them tried to catch him saying "how can you consider yourself a republican and be a part of anything related to Obamacare?" Kasich delivered a pretty epic takedown, saying it his duty as a governor to do what is best for people in his state and the idea that he would turn down federal money that could help people just because he doesn't like who is offering it is ridiculous. It was great, and really allowed Medicaid expansion to go through here (albeit a completely different privatized plan).
I know that might not be a major selling point for conservatives. But it does demonstrate his ability to put reason over politics and work across the aisle.
Also about the email thing, I read that both Powell and Rics used a private email server when they were Secretaries of State.
To answer the original question, definitely Hillary. I will vote for her in the primary too. I think Bernie has some lovely ideas that will never reach fruition in our current political climate. I think Hillary, despite the vitriol, has historically been well respected on both sides of the aisle. And she is a moderate. She is an accomplished stateswoman and I think could get a lot done.
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Under no circumstances would I ever vote for Drumpf, ever. That's not a typo, if you haven't, especially if you're a Trump supporter and think he's "a good business man," go watch John Oliver's piece on him. It will be a terrifying day if that man gets elected. I won't sit out due to being angry there are no candidates I love, I will make my vote count against him.
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@ScarletBegonia: @winniebee: don't even get me started on Justin Trudeau
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@Anagram: he gives great hugs, too. Well it was a side hug but it was glorious. He was the commencement speaker at my former job a few years ago and I got to meet him. I've heard rumors he's not into women though but I still have a crush on him too.
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I found this article interesting as far as the HRC /sexism point is concerned
As far as HRC vs Trump I would go HRC. My first pick at this point would be Kasich
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I can't in good conscience vote for either. This election year is so scary. I haven't decided yet if I will write in or abstain.
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@Chillybear: Wow, thanks for sharing that article! Loved it! It also had some good links to data to back it up. Very interesting how Hillary is liked once she actually has the job or leaves the job, isn't liked when she's campaigning.
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@Anagram: @mrsjazz: on a recent Frealanomics podcast he mentioned how the life he envisioned for himself at 25 didn't pan out. He referenced being married with kids, but didn't let on if that was with a partner or wife. What I like most about him is that he works across the aisle and seems genuine in policy ideas.
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@Adira: that doesn't really surprise me, given that it follows the pattern of workplace gender discrimination as well. But, it's certainly depressing - how far we've come and how little progress we've made. 50% of the population!
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@Pirouette: Oh yes, definitely. I shared it with a female coworker and it just depressed her, but it's definitely true, unfortunately.
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@LatteLove: I hope you will at least write in. Not voting at all is a vote for Trump in my book.
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@Chillybear: that doesn't just go for Hillary though. Bill Clintons favoribility ratings were lowest when campaigning (lower than Hillary's) and he still won and higher when he already was in position. Al Gore was negatively impacted from perception of Bill (even though he had high job approval ratings at the time) and Clinton fatigue when he ran for president.
http://www.people-press.org/1999/04/17/clinton-fatigue-undermines-gore-poll-standing/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/4609/presidential-job-approval-bill-clintons-high-ratings-midst.aspx
I think this is a more fair analysis of her drop in approval rating and compares it to other candidates without the spurious 'evidence' that some journalist thought she looked badass in sunglasses
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-scandal-inevitable-problems/ -
@avivoca: I will vote in my primary, but I live in California, so my vote won't count in the general election.
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@Chillybear: Thank you for sharing that article. I found it very interesting and a couple of points really stood out to me:
"Women who put themselves forward in the same assertive, confident style as men are routinely found pushy, 'bitchy,' or unlikable, and professionally penalized for that, too."
"When women do overcome the ambition gap, we punish them for it. One Harvard study found that 'when participants saw female politicians as power-seeking, they also saw them as having less communality (i.e., being unsupportive and uncaring), while this was not true for their perceptions of power-seeking male politicians.' Power-seeking men were seen as strong and competent. Power-seeking women were greeted by both sexes with 'moral outrage.'"
It's not that surprising as I've observed it a lot (especially on FB) this election cycle. But still unfortunate.
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I'm sure there are other out there but out of curiosity I took this quiz (make sure to check out the "other stances" option for each question) and I was a little surprised at the results for myself
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@sera_87: oh no, what?
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@lawbee11: All of that applies to the workplace as well. Sexism is alive and kicking and we should all be infuriated.
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@Chillybear: ha, turns out I'm a democrat and I support Bernie!
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@Chillybear: Wow, turns out I support HRC! Who knew?!
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@JoJoGirl: I feel like Hillary and Bernie are sooooooo close on the issues. I've taken the quiz a couple different times and sometimes it matches me with Bernie and sometimes Hillary, but I'm usually only 1% off from the other!
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@Chillybear: I'm 99% Hillary and 97% Bernie. Oh and 16% Trump and 13% cruz.
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@Adira: True - I was 89% Hil and 87% Bern
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@JoJoGirl: Last time I did it, I was 99% Bernie, 98% Hillary!
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