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@maysprout: a male child inheriting a political legacy is one thing, but it has never happened that a woman has been qualified on her own OR through nepotism. That is my point. Nepotism was never extended to a woman before in politics for the highest office, so how can there be any precedent?

@Mrs D: Definitely not trying to convince you that you should vote for Hillary! I get that is kind of a gamble when voting for someone, how do you really know what they believe. I get that to you Hillary feels more untrustworthy than Trump. I just don't get why if you believe Trump when he says what he says, how his positions don't disqualify him from the presidency. I mean the breastfeeding thing, yea maybe that's been twisted out of context. But he has said so many other disgusting, vile, non-presidential things. If I were a conservative who could not in good conscious vote for Hillary, then I'd be sitting this one out or waiting for a 3rd party candidate that I could support. I really am not trying to attack you here, so I hope this doesn't come across that way.
@Mrs.KMM: Voting for Trump IS supporting him.

@shortcake: You are absolutely correct that the outcome of the presidential race is not really the most important issue here. I think that the political system is currently broken and our country is so polarized not because of Obama but because of what the senate and more so House have been up to the past 8 years. And it's not going to change unless the tea party/obstructionist Republicans are voted out.

@petitenoisette: so what you're saying is our system is broken because we don't have Democrats in the oval office, senate and house. Not that we don't have one party in all three, right? Things will only get better if we have all three majority Dem?

I admit I am not as informed in Hillary as many of you who commented. In my semi-ignorant opinion, I feel like she projects an "image" and I don't fully feel like I know who she is, which makes it hard for me to trust/like her. I believe this likely stems from being a women in politics for so long and I don't begrudge her that. I will vote for her.
Trump is a flaming garbage person. His goals are clearly 100% about himself and cares not at all for the American people. His flip-flopping and abhorrent attitude are proof enough of that. I cannot understand how he's the "lesser" evil to Hillary, since she does not openly invite violence and hatred upon others. I cannot stress that enough: *Trump tells Americans in explicit terms to HURT other Americans!* Him being president would be literally life-threatening to Americans (his campaign already is).

@Mrs D: I'm not trying to antagonize, but to be fair you said "There are a list of issues I have with her - all leading to me not wanting to see he fail as the first female president much the same way I feel sad to have seen Obama fail as the first African American president." So I can see where people thought it was a fact-like statement. But I also know how easy it is to get ideas misrepresented in print.

@petitenoisette: I echo everything you just said expect the house and senate comment. I think it extends further than the recent 8 years.

No matter who gets the office, I really worry about our country in the next 4 years. As a conservative, I will not vote Trump. Please bring in a good third candidate.

Eta: I missed the last sentence. I don't necessarily think any one party needs full control. I think we do much better when we are more middle of the road than vastly divided in the extreme right and left.

@Maysprout: Agree with all that you said.

I really don't want to vote for Hillary. It will be hard for me to do so. I don't agree with a lot of her policies and there have been too many times she's been caught in a lie and been found to have changed her story to fit her agenda - and this has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman. I have felt the same way about many male politicians too and felt like I had to make a decision between the lesser of two evils.

Which is what I'd be doing in a race between Hillary and Trump. The difference this time is that the evil has never been AS evil as Trump before. I'll do almost anything to keep him out of office, including voting for Hillary.

I'm voting for Bernie in my primary next month. I'd LOVE to be able to write him in during the general election but I'm too scared any vote that wasn't for Hillary would basically be a vote for Trump. Which is so so sad to me.

@mediagirl: I think it's because there is SO MUCH HATRED for her. Moreso than any other politician ever it seems (unless you count Trump, but he's not a politician). Politicians have done and been far worse than her, and people just effing hate her, including democrats! So, in some instances, it's an inevitable conclusion that she's being held to a different standard than men.

@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I just think it's sad when race/gender come in to play at all...it's like we need the voice for politicians in order to avoid people interpreting why we are voting for who we are voting for.

Between these comments and the people who assume I am conservative simply bc my parents were I just find it so offensive for someone to imply I am voting a certain way for some reason other than my alignment with their policies/goals for while in office!

@winniebee: You think there's more hatred and conspiracy theories about her than the bush's or past presidents? I disagree. Seems par for the course.

@Mrs D: just curious what views do you agree with thst trump supports? I'm genuinely curious to hear from someone who doesn't support him but will vote for him if he wins the nomination.

@petitenoisette: I'd be all for voting for a good third-party candidate. Have one enter the race! Honestly, I think it is needed in this election. But we were not discussing third-party candidates so I did not speak to that.

Just because I hate both candidates doesn't mean that I am going to sit out the election. I believe it is my civic duty to vote even if I hate my options.

@winniebee: you should create a new thread on that one. I'd like to see the results! I'd also like to hear from people who are undeclared if there is anyone they would have voted for if the ones left weren't the only ones left.

@Mrs D: Oh Condy is fantastic! Every election season rolls around and she doesn't run, I die a little

@stargal: fiscally I agree with a lot of what he says. Fiscal and trade policy is where I worry most w regard to politics. So I am comfortable with him there.

With regard to immigration - I do not agree with his extreme statements and suggestions. I do however agree with what I brlieve the realistic and attainable outcome of his "policies" will be. Meaning - I don't think he will be able to accomish some (most) of the off the wall stuff he says - but I do agree with a milder approach along the same lines...which j think is the reality of what he will be able to get done. Does that make sense? I feel it's hard to explain...

@Mrs D: I would love to see Condoleezza Rice run!

@Kemma: This. Someone being "genuine" about having no morals doesn't go in the "plus" column in my book.

DH and I talked about this the other night. We are both more moderate then anything else. We both think this looks like a circus. Neither candidate is ideal and we will likely write in. I have a hard time with politics because the whole thing just feels slimy. I can't handle Trump for a lot of reasons and I don't like HRC either for a lot of reasons. Too much to ask for a do over right?