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Trying to be ok with major life change.

  1. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    I think change is difficult, period. It's never easy to just move where you live, but think about all the things that are not going to be an adjustment...you know the language, you know how to get around, understand the customs, can make friends.

    What is it that you want to do, if you were the breadwinner? Is there anything from that plan that you can leverage?

  2. petitenoisette

    pear / 1521 posts

    @MrsSCB: " I know he's excited about school, but is it possible that he so hates what he's doing now that he's just latched onto the hope that this will be his way out?" This! You put what I was trying to address much better than I did.

  3. Freckles

    honeydew / 7444 posts

    @hilsy85: That's such a tough situation! Have you guys talked about what happens if he can't find a job in that field? Would you be okay if you ended up having to move again for a job in a different city?

    I moved across the country after i got married because academic jobs are hard to come by. The first few months were really tough, but things got better once i found a job i really liked. We talk about moving back to our hometown, but honestly, i get sad and anxious when i think about leaving behind the life we have built in this city of ours. But he now knows that because i also have a great job, he can't just make these decisions on his own.

    I'm guessing it must be tough since he is currently the breadwinner. I think it's better that you talk all of this out now - so what if you're being negative, these are your concerns? I think it's only fair you get everything out now, because it's worse to be resentful 3-4 years later if things don't go the way you both planned.

    It's okay to grieve now - your feelings are completely valid!

  4. JoyfulKiwi

    nectarine / 2667 posts

    @hilsy85: we did this (although pre-children) and it was rough. I LOVED our town, I had my dream job, we had great friends, my family was only 2 hours away, etc. But my husband hated his job and he couldn't get anything different in our town, so I supported him looking for jobs that meant a move. We ended up a 14 hour drive away, although I did pre-approve of the area we moved to. I am really not good with change & I felt everything you've described feeling! My advice:
    --be Honest & Communicate with your husband, even the ugly feelings. If you pretend like it's all okay when it's not, he might just assume you're secretly pissed at him & that's no good. Sharing the ways I was scared of the move before & after was so helpful.
    --give yourself some grace. You're allowed to grieve the loss of the life you're letting go of. It really is a big deal emotionally. I needed a therapist to help me with this, because I felt such a big loss and my husband couldn't handle all my negative/sad feelings on his own.
    --be involved and try to embrace the opportunities you'll have. Learning a new town, home, job, & relationships is scary but also has such potential for good to arise. Once I accepted that our new town was my reality & I was not going "back" I was a lot happier. (Although we did make a 5-year plan with the option to re-evaluate.)

    We've been in our new town for 5 years and I'm very happy now! We've both found jobs we love, our kids are happy, we live in a nice neighborhood, have made new friends & even have some family nearby. My husband recently had a nice job opportunity pop up in our old town and we decided to pass because we like our life here. As the saying goes: It'll work out in the end; if it's not okay then it's not the end.

  5. Charm54

    cantaloupe / 6885 posts

    I'm so sorry - no advice, just that I understand - the possibility of a move away from our hometown is always looming and it makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I love living minutes from my family and I don't know what I'd do without their help.

    My coping mechanism is to not think about it. Haha. Not great advice, I know. So sorry

  6. hummusgirl

    persimmon / 1233 posts

    Our mantras have been "We'll cross that bridge when we get there" and "Nothing is permanent." I wanted to move from Texas to NYC and my husband didn't (pre-kids) but he wanted to support my wish for that adventure, so he did it. We decided to move for a year and then reevaluate - if one or both of us was miserable, we'd figure out together what to do next. We ended up staying about 5 years, and then we decided to move back to Texas to be closer to friends/family. We looooved our life in Brooklyn though, and decided that if we got to Austin and ended up not liking it, we'd move back (or to someplace new). Luckily it's been a great move. A flexible, roll-with-it mindset has really helped.

    Your kids may also benefit from learning there's a whole world outside NYC! I've found - in Austin at least - people are very friendly and open to becoming friends, but you do have to put yourself out there.

  7. gingerbebe

    cantaloupe / 6131 posts

    Well, I guess my answer changes depending on whether or not you're "all in" or if you're still trying to see if you can convince him to stay put in NYC.

    If you're definitely moving, then I would say none of the places you've indicated for aerospace engineering programs are awful places to live. Truly. Somewhat understandably, they are all near major airport hubs, most of them (except maybe not DC and CA) are much more affordable, but even those places are cheap compared to NYC, and all have really bustling economies. And they ARE or near great places to visit and travel. So I guess in terms of where you COULD have ended up for grad school, these places are pretty much as good as it gets, other than not having an NYC presence.

    I would probably say pick a school where you'd be comfortable settling after graduation. A lot of those companies hire directly out of school in those regions, and while its totally possible to move to another area, many jobs are likely near where those other programs are based and you may not want to uproot your lives again in 2 years. Take some weekend trips to go visit and dream in those areas, see if you can picture yourself living in that big grand GA house or near the beach in CA or FL. Or maybe you would feel happier in a place where people are culturally "warmer" or "nicer," like Michigan, or GA/TX. Having lived in these places, I can also say both N. and S. CA and DC are tougher places to be a grad student, but it is a great longterm place for families - excellent schools, great job prospects in that industry, so many fun kid-friendly places to visit, so much culture and great restaurants, and for DC, that 2 hour Acela train to NYC is really easy and fun.

    I think grad school is actually a good transition for young families living away from home for the first time. In large university towns there are SO many grad students and SO many young, transient families that are in the same boat. You WILL find other parents in the same situation and your husband will probably find colleagues who are dealing with the same thing. I live by a large national research university and its just teeming with grad parents at the parks, supermarkets, etc. You will find that these towns also tend to abound in kids classes, activities, free shows, libraries, and museums. There will also be lots of odd job opportunities in a town like this - meaning there will be lots of college and grad students looking for babysitter and nanny gigs, and there will be chances for you to take on part-time jobs and even full-time positions through the school or in the local community. These towns are used to employing students with class schedules, long school breaks, and weird hours, so balancing a job with small children could actually be more doable.

    Your husband will also get breaks in school and you can go back home for more extended periods of time, or you can pack up the kids and go home for a while when he's cramming for finals or whatever, if your work schedule allows.

  8. Autumnmama79

    pear / 1703 posts

    @hilsy85: This is a really hard place to be in, the unknown is so stressful!! No advice, us Canadians don't seem to move around the country as much our neighbours to the south.

    When I'm feeling down or worried about something I try to practice gratitude. Like I actually have to write down the things I am grateful for and that usually provides some relief.

  9. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @hilsy85: where in PA is your DH interviewing? I'm on the main line so if you end up here let me know and I'll add you to my mom group!!

    As you know we went through this recently moving from nyc to pa, new job for me and remote situation for DH. Overall it's been working out great and we are much happier but now we are in your shoes - DH's job has turned sour and he's super unhappy. Right now he's interviewing for jobs in our field but still a career change.. It's going to take a while because he is more experienced and there are less opportunities out here but our backup plan is actually for him to be a SAHD! The thought of going down to one (my) income is SUPER scary for me and I worry about whether he will find staying home fulfilling.. But I want him to be happy and right now he's NOT.

    I kind of see it that life is short and while you want financial stability there is no reason to unnecessarily toil away in a job/career you hate. We will have to make some major adjustments but if the price of happiness is taking a big risk like this I say go for it. Good luck and let me know if the job in pa works out! A lot of people don't realize how close we are to nyc.. One of the major upsides to moving here if you have roots in NY.

  10. travelgirl1

    cantaloupe / 6630 posts

    We just had to leave the life we loved and move overseas to be back with family. We were both devastated about it, honestly, and have had a really tough time moving back. It has been three months and every day, we talk about how to get back to Canada. I mean, it is getting easier, but DH hasn't got a job yet and we are living with his parents, DD misses the only life she ever knew so much and it is all very sad. We moved from downtown Toronto to a very rural location, I lost all my independence and really miss it.

    What gets me through it, honestly, is my kids. I remind myself every day how lucky I am to have them. Also, the fact that this was not a decision either of us made, it was circumstances and we had no choice. I feel like if this had been a conscious choice for us, we would have really started to resent/blame each other. Do you feel like you could start to resent your husband if you don't like the changes once you move?

    I don't have much advice for you, because I don't feel like I am doing a great job of managing the huge change in our life, but I can commiserate. Hugs

  11. sarac

    pomelo / 5093 posts

    To be honest, I'm not sure I'd feel called to totally support that. A fulfilling career is huge, obviously, and if he's the breadwinner for your family, it's crucial. But what about the support and connection with your family? What about the life you love? I'm not sure that these are less important than one of you working towards a dream job.

    If it was reversed, would you feel comfortable asking him to leave his city and his family and his support network to allow you to pursue your dreams? The answer to that might help clarify things for you.

  12. Mrs.KMM

    grapefruit / 4355 posts

    I am honestly amazed at how many negative replies you're getting. Just because you won't live quite as close to family doesn't mean that you won't still have a connection with them. I live 11 hours from my family and we're as close as ever. And just because you're leaving one support network doesn't mean that you can't and won't build a new one.

    I can't imagine not allowing and supporting my DH to pursue something he loves and get out of a bad work situation for himself just because I might have some changes and an adjustment period with a move.

    I understand your concerns and anxiety and I think that they are totally valid. But just because something takes you outside of your comfort zone doesn't mean that it is bad or that it is something that you should be resistant to.

  13. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    We made the move away from family and friends just over two years ago and although it wasn't easy leaving the only town I'd ever lived in, we're really enjoying our new town and lifestyle!

    Yep, change sucks but the other way to look at it is to view it as an opportunity to do something completely new and exciting! New places to visit, new people to meet and a chance to be anything you want to be in your new town! And home is wherever you're wee family is

  14. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @petitenoisette: he has no experience, other than kind of majoring in that area in college. He is planning on touring the schools that accept him and asking all the important questions about jobs, salaries, etc.

    @looch: there is basically no way I could be the breadwinner...my field is social work, not exactly lucrative! So I feel like he does get more say, because he is the one who has to be more career focused, so he should be happy.

    @Freckles: we are definitely counting on him finding a job in that field--we would only do this if the schools can say that the vast majority of graduates are employed in a short time after. And I have no idea how I would feel if we moved again two years after moving somewhere--I imnagine that would be hard, but I guess if I can do this then I can do that? Although moving twice in a short time would prob prevent me from making any lasting connections...who knows!

    @JoyfulKiwi: thank you!! such good advice glad it worked out for you.

    @Charm54: ha denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

    @hummusgirl: I can understand that--I just wish we had the option on the table to move back to NYC, but it seems unlikely if he continues in this career path austin seems great though , and is on the list of possible places!

    @gingerbebe: thank you!!! that was so helpful. I know that these places are definitely not bad--it's not like we'd be moving to a completely rural isolated town in the middle of the country (not that that's bad, but it would be pretty much the farthest from our life now!). I guess part of it right now is the uncertainty--we still don't know which shcools he's accepted to and where we will end up. But you are totally right that university/college towns tend to have lots of fun stuff around them.

    @Modern Daisy: thank you!!! that's exactly how DH feels--life is short, he doesn't want to waste it in a soul sucking job. And yes, PA would definitely be my top choice right now--the train ride is so short!! I will keep you posted

    @travelgirl1: ugh I am so sorry : ( I can't imagine such a huge move!!! And not one that either of you wanted. I hope your path leads you back to Canada soon!!! Or at least to new job opportunities in England. I do worry about resneting him...which doesn't seem fair if I do agree to go. I feel like i have to let go of that stuff if I say, yes let's do it. Otherwise I think it could really be toxic. But I need to figure out how to do that...

    @sarac: I definitely would not, lol. BUt I am not a risk taker, and I am a people pleaser. He is the opposite!! I guess it comes down to the fact that we have no real ties here, other than his job. If you take that away there is nothing really keeping us here other than connections to people, which hopefully would endure? And in his opinion, it's silly to stay just because I have a few friends that I see often and have playdates with regularly--presumably I coudl find that elsewhere. The family thing is kind of big, but I do think both of our parents would fly to us fairly often. I don't know...I do think it's a bit unfair of him, but he has supported the family and been unselfish for several years, so maybe it's his turn to get what he wants?

    @Mrs.KMM: ha that is DH's perspective I agree with it! It is just really really hard. I hate change, and like i Said, I love my life right now--so it's hard to be happy or excited about changing it, especially in so many big ways.

  15. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @KayKay: I do'nt think I could do that...and I don't think he would be ok with it!! Plus the cost of living in NYC is so high, I don't think we could afford it.

  16. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @yellowbird: I remember your post! Chicago right? Glad to hear you guys are excited about it, but yes! Definitely stressful!

  17. Pollywog

    persimmon / 1111 posts

    Has your DH talked to people in the field? My in-laws all are engineers who worked at NASA and they are now in other positions because there are so few jobs. Also, most have degrees in electrical or mechanical engineering, not aerospace. They work with people with aerospace degrees, but most people in their companies have a more generic degree. The generic degree was especially helpful with the NASA cuts-- they could find other projects. If he goes that route, there's tons of amazing programs and jobs near NYC.

  18. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @MrsSCB: ha that's very possible. I do thin he's romanticizing the other options. But he will never really know unless he tries, and now that he's been accepted somewhere, I feel like he thinks he's got to give it a shot, or spend the rest of his life wondering, you know? To be fair, he has tried a few different finance opportunities and nothing has worked out. He is being very picky--it's not a matter of finding a job, it's a matter of finding a job he's ecited about. not so easy for him.

  19. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Pollywog: he hasn't! That's one of the first things once he finds out all his acceptances--job placement stats, etc. He does have a BA in engineerig already, and plenbty of experience in other areas (economics, statistics, research, etc), so hopefully this MA would just add to that and not make him too specialized? NOt great to hear about job cuts though!

  20. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Anagram: omg that's insane. Making a job decision while pushing a baby out--not a good situation!! I thought it was bad enough discussing this while pregnant.

  21. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Pirouette: actually I think this is true--DS started preschool this year and while it took several months, we just started having playdates with some school friends and their parents and I do think we could form some new friendships. So hope is not lost!

  22. Pollywog

    persimmon / 1111 posts

    @hilsy85: one thing to ask about placement is placement for recent years and where their grads work. Everything I've heard is that it isn't where you went to school and what your degree is in, but what you know. Not a single person I know in the field (30+-- without disclosing too much, it is the family business), got their grad degree first. They started working and got work to pay for classes. I'm not saying this to throw a wrench in your plans, I just would hate for you to make an expensive move that didn't pan out.

    If I was talking to your husband, I'd encourage him to apply for jobs with federal contractors working on aerospace contracts-- either the big firms or the subs. He can get experience and make sure the field is right for him. You'll probably have to move to DC, but it is an easy train ride away. If he likes the work, start classes. Have work pay while he makes a decent salary. You can stay home and not have the pressure to be the breadwinner.

  23. LilSprinkles

    clementine / 778 posts

    DH is in the military, so we move every few years. We tend to always move somewhere where I know no one. I usually do a lot of research about the area and see what it has to offer. Keeping myself busy when I get there helps. And also looking into activities where I can meet people (I'm in a running group and a moms group). I also work, which I think keeps me the most sane.

  24. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Pollywog: The thing is that he's been working in finance for the last decade, so while he has the engineering BA he hasn't really been using it. He's hoping that the MA will give him the skills and the networking to get a job in the field. But will bring this up with him! Thank you for your tips-he definitely need to discuss that stuff with the schools!! If we end up at University of MD, DC is hopefully a major hiring hub.

  25. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @LilSprinkles: I don't know how you do it!! I can't imagine moving so often. I give you major credit!

  26. Raindrop

    grapefruit / 4731 posts

    @hilsy85: Aerospace engineering!! Sorry to be a Debbie downer but I think that is going down hill. Almost all BIG aerospace companies are downsizing and taking away benefits slowly but surely. If he does do that I highly suggest he couples it with a systems engineering degree so that he can be more marketable. (I'm in the aerospace industry but west coast)

    Other than that sorry this sounds really tough!! I hope it all works out those. It must be stressful! *big hugs*

  27. gingerbebe

    cantaloupe / 6131 posts

    @hilsy85: I agree with @pollywog that there are multiple ways to crack this nut. I'm not sure what your husband's original engineering background was, but aerospace engineering is SUPER specialized, even for engineering so I would definitely think he'd have to be really super sure that's what he wanted to do before jumping in!

    In the case of my husband, he has a background in mechanical engineering and now uses that degree as a patent attorney. He was directed to Mech. E. in college because he was going to get this super stable job right after college and he was in the military as an engineer for a few years until they started outsourcing all the engineering jobs to contractors and they basically nudged him out. So he toyed with going for an MS in electrical engineering because that's where so much of the work was going (unless he wanted to switch to bio-chem or computer science degrees) but opted not to because he wasn't sure exactly what kind of work that degree would get him. A lot of his colleagues in Mech. E. moved on to doing shipping/boating/navigational related engineering, which is lucrative, but its definitely tied to being near major ocean ports and waterways (lots of folks down in the Gulf area).

    Others went on to get MS and PhD's in other kinds of engineering, like civil engineering, but like @pollywog said, you can get employers to pay for those degrees for free while working. DH's best friend was based in DC and Charleston while pursuing his MS and PhD's in North Carolina and Mississippi and he was able to do so going out to campus for a few weeks at a time for certain courses or whatever and completing the rest of the work remotely. He has not paid for either of those degrees.

    DH went a different path and decided to go to law school instead, partially because there was a few years after he had to leave his engineering position where he was doing non-engineering work. Patent law requires you to have a hard science background, so he was able to pass the registration exam and be a patent agent while in law school and then he became a registered patent attorney once he passed the Bar. Now he's a patent attorney in private practice as well as a business law professor at the undergraduate and graduate level and financially he does fine. He also gets a fair amount of business from his old friends who are still IN engineering!

    He still thinks electrical would have benefited him more now as a patent attorney if he wanted to go into in-house or big firm jobs, since that's where a lot of the work is these days, but we've done just fine with his mechanical background.

  28. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @Mrs.KMM: This, pretty much. We moved away from family and a city we loved last summer for my husband's career (also a huge career change but a great opportunity). It was HARD. It has also been great in so many ways. I'm glad no one discouraged me from supporting him because it was absolutely the right thing for us even though it was bittersweet.

    @hilsy85: We just went through something similar last summer, though I will say the increase in our income and the ability for me to SAH made it a lot easier to leave our family and community. It was still REALLY hard but it has gone so well - better than I expected! Feel free to wall me - I'm not Gold but we could email or text.

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