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I was ecstatic last night because of the new privacy feature and after reading some posts this morning, I'm feeling really bad about it --- not because it was implemented but because of certain comments people have because of it.
First of all, why is it that all of the sudden people think it's alright to question and scrutinize threads made by people? Is there a unwritten law about which posts justifies privacy? It sickens me to read comments that make our fellow users have to explain why s/he felt the need to start a post and actually EXPLAIN why it was written (at least semi-private).
Outright saying to GTFO the Internet if you want privacy is the opposite of what this community has worked so hard to achieve! I don't feel welcomed nor warm and fuzzy after reading that statement! In fact, I feel excluded, JUDGED, attacked because of it! Why do I have to explain why I want to remain at least semi-private on here? Why do I have to second guess my threads because I don't want to be called out for having a non-legitimate "gold" post! It's ridiculous!!!!
Sensitivity ... have a little sensitivity, please.
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@Crumbs: I think there was more "attacks" and a huge change in tone on both sides. It really made the community feel different than what everyone enjoys here. Hopefully with the new filter things can get back to normal.
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@CarrieLouWho: I agree 100%!!
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To be honest, it breaks my heart to read all the complaints. The feature has only been up a few hours and instead of seeing and waiting how it works out, the mere "potential" of it changing the community IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY CHANGING THE COMMUNITY.
To the people that's upset about the new changes, can you please just let the dust settle a bit before jumping to conclusions?
All the meaningful advice and positive comments this site has given all of us in the past merits at least that.
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@Crumbs: I have never seen someone call another poster a name on here until yesterday and it came from a gold member calling someone with another point of view annoying. It really is going both ways and I don't think your tone will help fix that division. But once the kinks with the filter get settled I am sure things will go back to normal.
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@Crumbs: it's all good! We definitely understand that people are nervous about change. We strive to look past the tone of comments, and dig into the substance to see if there's something we can do to address the concerns raised.
We appreciate the support though! You're definitely on my Christmas card list now... and I'm an atheist!
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@MrsTiz: re: the posts with names, sex etc... We post those things because many of us have had family/"friends" find us on forums. Those are personal and sensitive topics and if someone can get just a little more privacy when talking about those things, that's their prerogative.
@Crumbs: agreed.
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@mrbee: Hope I didn't come off as rude!! I didn't mean to! FWIW I paid to be gold, not bc of private threads but for you & Mrs.Bee! Maybe that balances out my harsh criticism??
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@Mrs. Pen: agree. I would be upset if someone found me here and was watching my every move, I don't care if they see normal posts but if I can privatize some if the touchy subject ones, and still get my feelings out, that's awesome! I know nothing on the Internet is "safe" but this feature still helps a bit.
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@MrsTiz: We appreciate your support!!
We offer three deletions to all members... you can post any requests to http://help.hellobee.com !
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@mrbee: Thanks, I deleted as far back as it would let me.
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@mrsmenow: I could be wrong but I thought the gold user was responding to the classic user that called the person who double posted (the gold user by accident) annoying? Anyway no one should be name calling
(behavior calling? Lol)Regardless, to everyone, we are all adults...I say do whatcha want, let others do what they want
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@Mrs. Pen: Agreed. I don't plan on making a gold thread about "Hey everyone, post your social security number," but if I can get an extra layer of privacy I'll take it.
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So this is an actual question, not meant to be snarky or passive agressive:
If you have a random username (like "mrswaterbottle") then how could anyone google you and find private information? For example, say MrsWaterbottle is considering quitting her job and being a stay at home mom but doesn't want her boss to know, then how would anyone (including the boss) ever be able to google that?
And say you post a picture of your kid but dont put his name with it ("minibottle") then no one would be able to identify your kid either.
I think this is far more private than facebook where, if you post a picture, if any of your friends "likes" it or "comments" on it any of THEIR friends can also see it, regardless of if they're friends with you AND they know your name because you posted it.I guess i am just misunderstanding where the lack of privacy is.
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@sorrycharlie: LOL, but I do completely agree. The whole situation is meh and I hope this passes quickly:)
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It's all good. Can we all group hug now please!
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@Crumbs: seriously!
I think all will be well!
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No Gold for me just yet. So far the Gold threads are more sensitive in nature- pictures, names, work issues, health and sex issues. I do not begrudge anyone for wanting additional privacy for these threads. I look forward for more Gold-only content and features to make sure its worth my while.
One question, any way to stabilize Classic Only view? I click on it, then a post, and then my back button and I see Gold again.
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@berdine: That's a bit off topic... mind starting a new thread? Thanks.
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@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: You raise a good point... a few people have reported a similar issue as well!
http://boards.hellobee.com/topic/update-a-new-show-classic-only-filter#post-575746We'll look into it when our programmer wakes up.
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@Crumbs: I'm sorry you felt that way -- I was one of the people who mentioned privacy but I just want to clarify that I definitely didn't mean anything as negative as people should not be on the Internet. I more meant that the idea of true privacy on the Internet is misleading and if you are really concerned about it, it's good to be careful regardless of what type of membership you have. Hopefully that makes sense, I can't speak for anyone else though
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@berdine: if you have access to the same photo (say family can save your facebook photos) they can google search that image and it will bring up every site that image is posted on.
It is hard seeing everyone be so upset. I do understand it-sort of...
I haven't noticed any "cliqueiness" since the gold memberships except in this thread (where I think it's kind of expected.
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Eeek. I'm relatively new to the site, but, I love it and I'd like to support it. However...the things that I love seem to be on shaky ground right now. So, I guess I'm going to wait for a few weeks and see how the community/boards are hanging together and whether the site still seems valuable to support.
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@lilyofthewest: Yes, please stick around! It will definitely take a few days to adjust and work out kinks. Our community is still loving, informative and supportive. That vibe won't change as long as everyone just keeps on keepin' on.
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@berdine: I think a main concern is someone coming to the site and recognizing a poster: say a friend or family member of mine saw my pictures of Cobi then they could easily stalk my account and read all my posts. Since I'm a blogger I'm more open anyway and my mom does know about this site and as such I'm not as concerned about it however it does keep me from posting some things because I know how easy it would be to figure out who I am. So it's not about people here finding out who I am but rather people I know finding me. Like I said, not a big deal to me personally because I'm very open BUT that seems to be the main concern for the majority of hellobee.
There are many posters who are TTC and having a rough time, by posting their pics and personal info it subjects them to scrutiny if someone they knew happened upon this site... Does that make sense? I find that that's why privacy is valued here!
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@lilyofthewest: oh please so stick around! You happened upon us while hb is going through a major change and people for sure need time to adjust!
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i will get it at some point. I have no issue spending the $25 and i support mr and mrs bee.. I just haven't signed up for thus far because I am only on here when i am procrastinating and should be working on my dissertation! so when i make some progress, or my curiosity overrides me with wanting to see one of the gold threads based on title (I am not filtering them out), i will sign up for it! sooner than later probably.
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I will not sign up- I come on here for entertainment and sometimes advice, but this site has been waaaaay overrun with silly posts about nothing TTC, Baby, or Parenting related. If the site banned all "True confessions- what did you JUST EAT" type of posts, I'd consider the content more pay-worthy. I don't care what snack you had, or maybe I would just appreciate it more if it was phrased as a "What type of snacks are good for pregnancy?" Type of post than a "chat" thread about how someone felt guilty for eating a cookie and wants to now know who else ate a cookie today. I know, I know, it helps "build a community"... But if you're going to pay, then the community aspect is diminished in favor of HB becoming a legitimate service, and I would hope the silliness could be reduced in favor of more constructive conversation.
I am not offended by the gold posts. If I want to know the same thing as a gold topic, I'll post a non-gold thread. But I totally get why people want their family photos kept "private". -
@Pink Champagne: We're not going to ban posts. Totally respect your priorities, but it sounds like you might be happier on a less community-oriented site.
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I don't post much but enjoy reading HB. I'm really sad to see the community splitting in half, and I actually think this will be the beginning of the end.
There are many other very useful forums out there (I belong to another one that I love) and I think members will be looking to other forums for pretty much the same information without the divide.
It's really too bad...
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I don't do pay-pal, so I can't purchase Gold.
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I've seen a couple of Gold threads about Breastfeeding that I'm interested in but can't access so I hope that Gold members consider the wider community when creating threads.
One of the greatest attributes of HelloBee is its diverse and varied range of members and therefore knowledge and experiences which could possibly be lost in the new system. If I can't see it I can't offer my input or conversely I can't learn from it!
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After giving it some thought, I would probably sign up if the perks were broadened. I don't post any personal info so the private threads don't really appeal to me that much. I would love an app and PM options though! The wealth of knowledge I've gained from HB is worth 25.00 for sure. I think the fee is reasonable for the content and I would definitely pay if the benefits were something that I would utilize !
I hate to see the line this has created on the site , though.
I think it's great how proactive @mrbee and @mrsbee were to make hiding the gold threads an option as soon as it was apparent that there was an issue. I hope all the back lash doesnt have them feeling like the bad guys here ! Overall, I think the site is great and hope that the tone doesn't change because of this !
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@mrsmenow: Just wanted to clarify, it was actually a gold member being called annoying, not the other way around. Either way, I think that has been resolved. I hope so anyway!
@sorrycharlie: Yup, what you said.
@Crumbs: Yes please on the group hugs!
Just something I personally thought about, so maybe food for thought? To me, the Internet is not full of any "free" stuff. I personally pay more than $25 in 1 month for Internet service in my home. I also pay a decent amount every month to access the Internet from my phone. So for me, the info I have access to on the Internet isn't actually free. And in comparison to what I pay monthly just to get on the Internet, $25 a year doesn't feel unreasonable. I'm a SAHM and as a result we can't live an extravagant life, but to me having Internet access is a want more than need, just like subscribing to gold, cable, a cell phone, a new computer, a new camera, a pedicure, etc. are all wants. Out of all those wants it's actually the cheapest form of fun for me.
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I'm going to sign up right after I post this. I know reaching this decision must have been a difficult one, and I will sign up if only to show my support for Mr. and Mrs. Bee and all the hard work they put into running this site.
@mrsbee and @mrbee: hang in there guys, this too shall pass.
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I want to! We just don't have the budget for it, having just bought a house. And like @SweetMamaM: said, it's more than NZ$25 for us.
The privacy thing is good. I would love to post pictures etc and get to know people better!
I also appreciate the bees and the hard work they do for us!!
I think it's great how proactive @mrbee and @mrsbee were to make hiding the gold threads an option as soon as it was apparent that there was an issue. I hope all the back lash doesnt have them feeling like the bad guys here ! Overall, I think the site is great and hope that the tone doesn't change because of this !
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