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  1. breakouttheicecream

    olive / 66 posts

    Two very, very faint positives for me on Tuesday and Wednesday, and today: nothing. Maybe it was a chemical or maybe my hcg is just out of whack. AF hasn't arrived yet, so I'll test tomorrow if it holds out.

    Can I ask--if you've had a chemical before--did you have to call your doctor to fill them in? Maybe I just got two bad tests or something.

  2. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @breakouttheicecream: I'm so sorry, hun. I hope you got a bum test in your pack of HPTs and everything is fine. 🀞
    My scenario this month was similar (as I am sure you have seen) - 2 positive tests on 20 MIU tests that were SUPER LIGHT (CD7 and 8) and did not progress. There was nothing on the same brand test days later so I called and complained to OSOM; however, I did receive a VVVL bfp on a 10-MIU a couple days later... and then the cramps and spotting began. I began a heavy bleed the next day. My beta (yesterday) only had a HCG level of 11, so my RE and his PA assume it didn't "stick" and my HCG was already low. I go for my levels this weekend. I did not tell them about it until I was bleeding. That stated, I USUALLY report my BFPs to my OBGYN [or RE] as soon as I see progression, and I notify with CPs because CPs can alter hormone levels, change anticipated cycles, and may lend to retained tissue.
    So, I guess, long story made a bit shorter - Yes, [normally] I do report them.

  3. breakouttheicecream

    olive / 66 posts

    @Kaohinani: Thanks for responding. Was thinking of you this morning because of those false positives. You were smart to call and let them know. I'm so sorry--and about your levels this last test, too. Wishing you lots of luck in September.

  4. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    I created the POAS 2019 - September to December Board for any lady who may need it:

    https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/poas-2019-september-to-december-edition#post-2894700

  5. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @Kaohinani: Ooh, that looks impressive, thank you! I hope it works well too.

  6. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @paranundrum: Thank you!
    Also, once again, I appreciate that you will be co-moderating it with me.

  7. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @Kaohinani: Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

  8. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    πŸŒžβ›±πŸΉπŸ•Ά August 2019 POAS πŸ•ΆπŸΉβ›±πŸŒž

    26 July - CatchAFallingStar - - April Mama
    31 July - Paranundrum
    1 Aug - FuzzyPeaches -
    6 Aug - JennyLayneAZ - - April Mama
    7 Aug - Yellowbeach
    11 Aug - JennyPenny - - April Mama
    12 Aug - MoonMoon
    14 Aug - SweetCaroline
    14 Aug - BreakOutTheIceCream
    22 Aug - Mrs.Chickpea
    26 Aug - Paranundrum
    30 Aug - Maybebaby

    TBD - ,
    No POAS - Kaohinani
    Drop-In BFP -

    πŸ€Έβ€β™€οΈ οΏΌπŸ“£πŸ™‹β€β™€οΈ Amazing Cheerleaders:
    - Lazb
    - Sam's Mom
    - CrazyDogLady
    - PachaMama
    - BHBee
    - MrsJBEEG

    I created the POAS 2019 - September to December Board for any lady who may need it:

    https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/poas-2019-september-to-december-edition#post-2894700

  9. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: @BreakOutTheIceCream:

    Any updates? I have periodically checked in to see.

  10. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    @Kaohinani: Thanks for checking in! Period 3 days late and 3rd negative hpt this morning
    Because I don't have my period or any pms symptoms, I'm holding out hope, but realizing it's unrealistic (?) because ovulation was about 7/29 and we last DTD on 7/30, so 19 days is too long for any timeline to happen right?

    It's been depressing. I'm noticing all the pregnant women, babies, and baby stores while we're traveling, and I can't even let go and let myself enjoy a few drinks so I'm just...in a holding pattern.

  11. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    My SO had his appointment yesterday and he was put on Tamoxifen and Pentoxifylline. I'm glad they took that step, because so far for the past four months all his visits have been going in for labs, going back in and the doctors saying it doesn't look good, going back for repeat labs, going back for a visit and the doctor saying, yes well, it doesn't look good. I understand that's how diagnosis works, but it finally feels like we're getting somewhere.
    He'll go back in for repeat labs in mid October.

  12. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: I'm so sorry you are in "Am I; Am I not" purgatory. Until AF begins, there is ALWAYS a chance. In fact, my cousin didn't get a positive HPT until she was 9 days late! She was POSITIVE of her Ov date as she had been religiously temping and checking CF. For some reason, her body wasn't processing the output of the HCG in her urine adequately until 9 dpAF. When she had her first U/S with her DS, everything dated correctly from her previous AF and assumed Ov. Her story always gives me a bit of hope since I have long LPs (* this year, according to FF, I have averaged 16/17 days with a couple 15 dpo and 18 dpo tossed in). I ALWAYS feel as though I'm in limbo πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ ... Then, my testing anxiety (& a bit of crazy πŸ€ͺ) begins and it is all down hill from there.
    I believe all the bees here [on the POAS board] are hyper-aware of pregnancy announcements, women with cute "bumps," and babies who make one's ovaries ache because they are so adorable -- You are in good company here πŸ˜‰. (FWIW- my kids aren't helping me with this whole TTC thing, as my DD points out every baby and tells me we "have got to have another," while my DS plays "daddy" with his babydoll and tells me he wants to feed a "sisser or brudder!" πŸ˜”)
    I will keep everything crossed that AF stays away and you get your BFP.

    @paranundrum: That is fantastic news! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜ Isn't it the best feeling when you can "move forward" from stagnation and try something new?!? Progress is good. I hope that is all it takes for you and your SO to finally conceive. 🀞

  13. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    @Kaohinani: thank you for your always uplifting replies! I love your cousin's story because it means I'm not completely crazy with the dates I'm working with... It's new to me because on my last ttc journey, I had very short cycles and LPs to work with. I wonder if I should duck into a drug store and buy a Swedish hpt

  14. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    @paranundrum: this must feel like such a relief for you to be moving forward!

  15. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: You are welcome. You are not the least bit crazy for being hopeful. At 18/19/20 dpo, why not? I believe I'd do it, were my POAS anxiety not to kick in πŸ˜‰. Sending so much luck .

  16. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    Tested with Swedish (well, package says made in Germany ) home pregnancy test... Big fat negative. Still no sign of period. Wt actual f.

  17. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: I'm sorry. That is so frustrating! There is still a chance, but if you are just late; perhaps, travel or stress has delayed your AF ... or you ovulated a bit later in your cycle? IDK if you have been able to track your primary fertility symptoms (BBT, CF, Cervical placement) but anything is possible within realistic parameters so I'm keeping hopeful for you even though your situation is extremely frustrating. 🀞

  18. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    @Kaohinani: I used Opk and had definite positives for a couple of days. The thing I'm going to have to learn is how to proceed if ovulation takes place "normally" like around CD17 but then if my cycle is 30, 35, + days long. How does that impact fertilization and/or implantation?

    Also I'm just speculating, I don't mean to waste time on this thread, if anyone read this far, thanks

  19. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @Kaohinani: @MoonMoon: Thanks! It feels good, but knowing our luck...I'll try not to get my hopes up.

  20. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @MoonMoon: That's what the thread is meant for and why we're all here!

  21. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: Please, do not worry about "wasting time." Everyone on the board is more than happy to read others' rants, raves, and airing of concerns.

    @paranundrum: As always, I am keeping my fingers [tightly] crossed that something will work and you will get your BFP.

  22. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    Update from me:

    I received a call from my RE -
    My b-hcg is at 4.
    The supposed retained tissue has dissipated or was flushed out with my AF. My RE is impressed that my body is returning to homeostasis so quickly.

    Here is the kicker. I am CD 6 and I have an 18 mm follicle and a 12. My E2 is 412. (They did not run a full panel on my hormones for some reason so IDK LH, P4 or anything else).
    I saw MY Re's partner today at my appointment since he is preparing for a conference. She was ecstatic about my large follie and trilaminar (nearly 10-mm lining). She told me that, since I have Ovidrel left over from cancelled cycles, I could trigger either tonight or tomorrow evening and follow our TI protocol for BD-ing πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘ ... BUT she wanted to check with my RE since I am assigned to him. Well, I just received a call from my RE to tell me NOT to trigger and to avoid ALL intercourse because an 18-mm follicle on CD6 may not contain an ovum or may be immature. πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈπŸ€¦β€β™€οΈπŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ He was very brief bc he had an IUI patient waiting. DH and I had intercourse this morning so I called back (and spoke with his PA). She said it shouldn't be a problem and she conceived her son on a CD7 ovulation. She also stated that a possible option would be to monitor LH and take the trigger in 2 days time ... of course, she said I should come back in on Tues or Wed for monitoring. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ I ALWAYS ovulate early (CDs 8-12) with decent sized (15-19 mm) follicles (even in my Follistim cycles! πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ) so, if everything looks clear otherwise, who do I listen to? IDK if my RE is being swayed by the fact that my next cycle would be my IUI (which is not covered by my insurance so he gets $800 out-of-pocket) while his partner is looking at my U/S and stats OR if both have my wellbeing in mind.

    My query: What the heck do I DO?!?!?!
    I have 2 REs telling me something different and a Reproductive PA giving me a third option!!! @Yellowbeach: @Sams Mom: @Lazb: ... ANYONE: Help! WWYD in my situation?!?!?!

    Below, my 18-mm follicle:



  23. Sams Mom

    grapefruit / 4492 posts

    @Kaohinani: damn. Umm is there anyway to have a longer conversation with your RE? I don't know what I would do. I'd probably trigger to give it a shot, but is there any harm in triggering something without an ovum?

  24. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6085 posts

    @Kaohinani: I thought if it’s immature it just won’t make a viable embryo, like can’t be fertilized? I’m no expert at all, but my gut would be to trigger tomorrow night giving you approx cd8 ovulation close to your normal. Since you already did bd close to your usual ovulation time seems like you are in the game no matter what. Just some thoughts and hugs whatever you decide to do!

  25. LAZB

    pomegranate / 3904 posts

    @Kaohinani: I’d probably still dtd but not trigger, but that’s a pickle!

  26. crazydoglady

    nectarine / 2431 posts

    @Kaohinani: What do your OPKS tell you? Personally, I wouldn't trigger, but I wouldn't avoid sex either.

  27. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @Sams Mom: @bhbee: @LAZB: @crazydoglady:
    Thank you all for replying!
    Sorry I didn't reply earlier but one of my GF's took me out for lunch and I just got back.
    I tried to call my REs office before I left for lunch and his administrative assistant asked for me to call on Monday evening before close of business or Tuesday morning [which may be too late]. πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ I just took an OPK and it is not positive but is heading that way, so I still have time to decide. The reason why my REs partner wanted me to trigger was to ovulate the larger one while it was at optimal size so that it would not become a cyst or grow too big (and so the smaller one would reabsorb) which would render it "expired." As for the topic of immature ova; I, too, was told [in the past from my last FS and from my aunt who is an OBGYN] that immature ova in follicles could not be fertilized if they ovulate, so I am a bit confused as to whether or not this is true in accordance to what my RE stated this morning. I tried calling my aunt but can not reach her at this time. I can not find anything on triggering at CD 6 or 7 as most women trigger between CD 10-20. I also can not find any studies on the viability of ovum from early maturing, "large" follices. I am in quite a spot here. At 42 mos TTC, I REALLY do not want to waste a chance at a sticky #3 especially with what happened last cycle... I should be in a fertile "sweet spot" 2 cycles after surgery and one after a CP. As BHBee stated, I guess I am in the game either way, but part of me really thinks I should trigger [perhaps, tomorrow] since my OPK is headed towards becoming a positive soon and because DH and I already BDed. So weird how two specialists in the same field (and office) can view the same data but offer a dissimilar course of action. Ugh! I loathe the uncertainty!

    Yesterday's OPK:



    Today's OPK



    Oh, where, oh, where is my favorite ER physician? (@Yellowbeach:) I could use your expertise about physicians with differing opinions, as well as, your logic for "yay" or "nay" as a tie breaker.

  28. yellowbeach

    nectarine / 2648 posts

    @Kaohinani: sorry, been at work all day. Wow. You are full of unexpected updates this cycle. I share your regular REs concern about the timing being off and having a follicle that big at this time in your cycle. I don’t know the two doctors, but I would take their opinion over a PA (sorry, biased). I would HOPE that your RE is t giving guidance for financial reasons but rather worries about the risk of blighted ovum and a possible chemical pregnancy on your mental health and potentially for cycle setback. I’d say play it safe. You DTD once, but don’t push it. That’s just me. More of the TTC me than the doctor me.

  29. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @Kaohinani: Well, that's quite a pickle. I have no advice, but wouldn't it be great if all things TTC would be straightforward and always by the book...

  30. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @yellowbeach: Thank you for returning response. I assumed you were busy working so no worries. I always appreciate your input greatly. This cycle has been an absolute sh!t show (stealing that term from Sam's Mom). My fear in not taking the trigger is that I may end up with a large cyst. I am prone to hardened (calcified) cystic matters in my body. I had one in my breast which was excised at 25 years old, a cervical cyst (at 36), and 2 ovarian cysts (1 at 32 in an unmedicated cycle, and 1 this past year during a medicated cycle). Granted, triggering does not completely prevent cysts, but I am hoping it may save me from another laparoscopy before 2019 ends. As for avoiding BD-ING, we already DTD within a probable time span for a natural ovulation so, I'm kinda stuck there in limbo. We may or may not BD again, IDK because I am extremely torn. I want to ensure ovulation and have a chance at a BFP; however, I would prefer not to go through the range of emotions (nor the removal of tissue if it doesn't pass) that would be resultant of having a BO. This has just been a miserable situation and, after a horrible July/August cycle, I was incredibly hopeful that Aug/Sept would be more productive. I. JUST. DON'T. KNOW.

    This study gives me a bit of hope:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC27529/

  31. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @paranundrum: That would be AH-MAZING!

  32. MoonMoon

    pomegranate / 3392 posts

    @Kaohinani: no advice, just wanted to chime in to wish you best of luck this cycle whatever decision you make, and that I'm learning a lot from you and this thread!

  33. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @MoonMoon: Thank you so very much! You are unbelievably kind. If not for that fact that my "infertility and TTC issues" are a learning experience in patience and humbleness for myself, I am glad that my experiences (however frustrating they may be) may also afford others something as well.

  34. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @Sams Mom: @bhbee: @LAZB: @crazydoglady: @yellowbeach: @paranundrum: @MoonMoon:

    UPDATE: I'm thinking circumstance has made up my mind FOR me. I have the darkest OPK that I have had in the last year. I assume my surge today will mean I will ovulate tomorrow. In any case, I am CD 8 today which means a CD 9 or 10 ovulation (* which is typical for me). My RE kept saying I was CD6 yesterday but I was, in fact CD7 since my actual bleed began on the 12th (spotting on the 11th). I think he thought I had been only spotting on the 12th and went in for my U/S and tests on CD2 instead of CD3.
    Now I just need to decide if DH and I should actually avoid BD-ing or if we should just do our thing since we are already in the game.

    OPK I just took at 1110:



  35. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6085 posts

    @Kaohinani: whoa that’s dark! Obviously I think you should do what feels right for you. If it were me I would probably bd because I was never able to give up a chance ... you already hit a very fertile day so avoiding doesn’t seem that productive to me? But I’m an emotional ttc-er

  36. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @bhbee: I know, seriously! 🀣 I am extremely torn between avoiding BD-ing OR saying, "Eff it!" & making a go of it since we already DTD within my fertile span. πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ I am leaning towards, perhaps, making a go of it simply because this last February my cycle was cancelled when I grotesquely overstimmed and I was told to avoid or use protection. We had an "oooops" moment during my fertile period that cycle. Nothing came of it and that was with me having over 19 follies going!!! Of course that was before my Endo lap so now the game has changed a bit. I suppose DH and I will, ultimately, decide tonight (🀭😳).
    I am not a super emotional TTC-er but I do have my moments. I do not think I'd have been able sustain TTC-ing for 42 mos were I emotional. That stated, POAS does cause me an immense amount of anxiety since I have no locus of control over obtaining a sticky BFP. πŸ₯Ί

  37. Sams Mom

    grapefruit / 4492 posts

    @Kaohinani: well damn! Look at that opk!!! I would say you're already in the game, so why not add to the chances πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

  38. paranundrum

    clementine / 811 posts

    @Kaohinani: Well I don't know about you, but that looks like a positive OPK to me!

    I agree with @Sams Mom:, you're already in the game and as you said, it's not an early ov for you. And you didn't trigger so you didn't go against your doctors recommendations.
    I hope this weird cycle is the lucky one!

  39. Kaohinani

    grapefruit / 4144 posts

    @Sams Mom: @paranundrum:
    I agree, ladies. I have NEVER had such a dark OPK. Literally, was taking ink from the control line! (I wish I could get a HPT to do the same! ) DH & I decided that since we already DTD on CD7, we might as well test fate (* I know he just really wanted to DTD more and would grasp at any logic to do so. πŸ˜³πŸ™ˆπŸ™‰πŸ™ŠπŸ˜‰πŸ€£) with the hopes our luck changes. If I am ovulatory today, my lead follicle would be 20-25 mm. πŸ€” From what I have been told, MOST follicles over 19 mm have a developed ovum inside (no guarantees on not having chromosomal abnormalities, though πŸ˜•) so the chances it will ovulate, even with a CD9 ov, are great. I am hopeful that something will go "right" for us. πŸ˜‰

  40. SweetCaroline

    pear / 1718 posts

    @Kaohinani: Wow! Fingers crossed for you!!

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