I'm certainly not surprised this happened but it's not something I would ever let my kid do.
What are your thoughts?
I'm certainly not surprised this happened but it's not something I would ever let my kid do.
What are your thoughts?
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I can't see the photo from your link, did the museum have the sculpture roped off somehow?
I don't know what to make of it. There are bonehead parents all over the world.
grapefruit / 4187 posts
I agree with commenters that it's ridiculous this piece is worth so much, but that gallery owner who took the pic and tweeted it all over and ran to the museum guards sounds totally nutty. And honestly I just wouldn't invite these people over to my house knowing they have no respect for other peoples property and no interest in teaching kids to respect fine art, even if it's ridiciulous.
bananas / 9899 posts
Why the heck would you let your kid crawl over any art piece? Would you let your kid touch the Mona Lisa?
I get that this art shouldn't be worth that much money and it's no masterpiece like the Mona Lisa, but still. You don't go to a museum and let you kid touch the valuable art on the walls.
I don't blame the gallery owner for approaching them and posting it on Twitter. These parents should be "shamed" to a degree. I hope their friends saw this and they feel embarrassed.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
I think parents have less and less worry about controlling their children in public or at other peoples' homes. I can see- based on the type of art- how this happened, but if it was me and my LO, I would immediately apologize and probably leave (out of embarassment, not anger at being approached) if I was approached. I know kids can be hard to control but it's nothing to make excuses for. In a museum, roped off or not, children should learn to respect the artwork or artifacts.
papaya / 10343 posts
Bad parents, not a bad kid. Whether they think the piece is stupid or not (I do) it IS art, clearly, being at an art gallery, and they need to have respect for that. It isn't like their kid ran over and touched it before they could grab him. They let him crawl INSIDE the sculpture and seem to be standing there nonchalantly not doing anything about it. Then they get peeved when the gallery owner asks them to remove their child. The whole entire universe does not revolve around their kid, but apparently they haven't gotten that memo.
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
Art has value no matter what it is or what it looks like My workplace is filled with things that can be seen as "not worth that much" but are actually either quite valuable or priceless.
Museums strive to be child-friendly to draw in families, and it's a constant battle to preserve the artwork with kids running around... while at the same time keeping the museum a place where kids can have fun and be themselves.
I hate bringing my kids to the museum I work at because I'm always afraid they're going to touch something!
If the museum didn't have this piece sectioned off or a guard close by, it's their fault. Our museum has bands on the floor you can't cross, and if someone crosses it a little bell actually goes off warning you to back off. And if you don't back off, a guard comes by.
A high school kid actually climbed on and broke an antique bed in an exhibit last year here!! caused quite the hubbub...
honeydew / 7504 posts
So it's reprehsible that those parents are a) letting it happen and then b) telling the gallery owner that she "doesn't understand kids," as if that excuses the behavior. BUT I also don't agree with the woman posting the photo all over social media. So, both are in the wrong. But I'm glad she reported it to the guards who could handle it as they saw appropriate for the museum. I hope they were kicked out of the museum. If I'd been at the museum, I would have been annoyed by it, because you know if those kids are climbing on a piece of art, then they're also probably running around like hooligans and disturbing everyone else's pleasant Saturday afternoon at the art museum.
bananas / 9899 posts
@mrs. wagon: But shouldn't the parents at least make an effort to make sure their kids behave appropriately in such a setting? It's one thing if your kid reaches out and touches something and you correct them, it's another to stand there while your kid climbs on art.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
It's not Gymboree! *augh* This is in line with the people who took their LO to a pricey restaurant and then stayed even though the baby was crying. It doesn't matter whether the piece is overpriced or not, nobody should be climbing/sitting/leaning on the art . . . regardless of their age!
pomelo / 5469 posts
I don't agree with it, but to be honest that doesn't exactly look like a piece of art! There is no way I would allow my kids to do that, though I see it all the time here...kids crawling all over sofas and tables in restaurants, standing on bus seats etc. It's surprising the number of parents who think that is acceptable because they are "just kids...it's what they do".
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@pui: I agree. The parents should have prevented that from happening . . . or at least immediately remedied it, regardless of how the piece was displayed.
cantaloupe / 6059 posts
Ugh. The thing that scares me the most about stuff like this is that those parents are showing their child that it is all fine and dandy to have a complete lack of respect for others. That's what this is all about. The parents didn't respect the art, the artist, or the gallery owner enough to keep their child under control at the gallery.
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
@pui: of course! but anything can happen at any time (the high school kid climbed over a rope with guards nearby and his chaperones as well). From the looks of the picture, however, there are no barriers between the people and the art, and if the museum doesn't want the art to be touched, they need to communicate that to their visitors.
That being said... if my kids actually climbed into a piece of art like that I would be mortified, pull them out, and leave. I'm trying not to judge the parents standing there... but believe me, I'm losing that battle
pineapple / 12053 posts
not okay no matter what i think of the piece of art or it's value. i would do everything in my power to make sure my kids didn't do something like that and if they did, i would get them off as soon as possible. i also wouldn't speak to the gallery owner like that either!
cantaloupe / 6059 posts
@pui: Agreed. This all falls squarely on the parents' shoulders. I've been to plenty of art museums/galleries where the art isn't roped off. The beautiful art museum in Milwaukee, WI is one notable example where the art is set up all over the place -- even in the middle of the floor. If you're going to take a child there, you're just going to have to watch them and correct their behavior if it gets out of hand. End of story.
nectarine / 2458 posts
Completely inappropriate on the parents part. Going to a museum is definitely a "hold my hand, go on my back, or we go home" situation.
And as for tweeting a picture... That's the world we live In today. Act like a fool in public, someone will take a picture and you'll end up on social media. So don't do dumb stuff, lol.
pomegranate / 3980 posts
The fact that I can't see why it is even worth so much money is beside the point, I am not a very uptight person but one of the most important things to me is teaching my children to respect other peoples property. Look, don't touch and especially don't climb on stuff.
pomelo / 5509 posts
I think the part that bothers me most is the parents response when approached by the owner. "You just don't understand kids." Ummm what? What's not to understand? They are the parents and should have the ability to help their child behave accordingly. End of story.
blogger / nectarine / 2608 posts
Let's say it was Ellie; I would stop her, but I would be beyond livid if someone publicly called me and my child(ren) "horrible". I think the comment was also out of line.
apricot / 303 posts
The parents were completely out of line, obviously, but publicly shaming a child and calling them "horrible" is even worse in my book. Call out the parents, fine, just leave the kids out of it.
papaya / 10343 posts
@Mrs. Twine: I think ever calling a kid horrible (publicly at least) is out of line. But the important part of the story I think is the parents didn't even try to stop the behavior. If the kid had done it and the parents had wrestled him away immediately and she called them horrible-- out of line. But they were letting their kid act that way and saw nothing wrong with it. Which makes the comment unnecessary and unkind, perhaps, but not necessarily inaccurate.
watermelon / 14206 posts
@Navy_Mommy: My thoughts exactly! It wouldn't have been tweeted, if the parents could teach their children some boundaries!
I could never let my kid climb on something in an art gallery...I don't care if it seems worth the price or not...it's still someone else's property.
bananas / 9899 posts
@Mrs. Twine: Twitter post aside, how was the comment out of line!? This kid was crawling on a 3 million dollar art piece! I would have said something too!
Honestly, I don't really care if these parents are angry. They showed a complete disrespect for the gallery. Don't want people to think you're horrible parents? Grab your kid and apologize when they climb in to art on a gallery wall.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Mrs. Twine: yeah, but the behaviour was horrible. Maybe the people aren't, but the behaviour isn't something I would have called "stellar."
coconut / 8472 posts
Personally, I think the parents in this situation are completely awful. The incident happened at the Tate Museum - a museum of modern art. What did they think the thing on the wall was? I highly doubt they could've mistaken it for play equipment. And their attitude when confronted about it shows a complete lack of respect - to tell someone they don't understand kids?
BTW, I think there's some confusion because the article wasn't very well written. The person who tweeted the pic was not the owner of the location of the incident, she just happened to be a gallery owner herself. And it probably stands to reason with her occupation she'd be particularly horrified at someone treating art that way.
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
@IRunForFun: yeah, I can't get past that. Even IF the gallery owner doesn't understand kids... they as parents don't understand how to handle their kids in a museum setting... I think I understand kids but I would have approached them as well.
eggplant / 11716 posts
I think the parent in this case is wrong.....I saw something similar at the Met last year here in NYC. There was (is?) a gorgeous sculpture that people can actually walk into/up on the rooftop.
I get that this particular sculpture is confusing to parents/kids because people are allowed to go inside it. However, there was a shiny bottom section that was roped off and a dad brought his 3(ish) year old over to stare at her reflection. She (being a normal kid) reached over the rope and put her hands on her reflection and the dad let her. A guard came over and asked him to back up then walked away. As soon as the guard started walking away, the dad let his daughter do it again.
The guard came back, and the DAD was acting all exasperated and asked why his daughter can't touch it. I mean...jjjeeez, just keep your kid away!! Let them look at it from 5 feet back.
I don't understand. It's just simple rule following. If there's a rope, don't go over it and don't allow your child to go over it. Even if it's amazing and enticing!
bananas / 9899 posts
@Anagram: I was going to say that was more excusable until I got to the part where the guards told him to step away and he still continued to let his kid touch it. >_<
blogger / nectarine / 2608 posts
@pui: Said something, sure, but Ellie is on the spectrum and doesn't "get" some social rules. I guess call me horrible if you want, but she would not be "horrible" even though some of the things she does are not fantastic from a rules/decorum standpoint. Granted, I'm sensitive, and I don't think that any sort of disability was implicated here, but I just get so frustrated on a frequent basis that not only do I have to contend with helping my daughter navigate a world that is often outright hostile towards her, I also have to contend with getting a copious slew of judgement and negative comments from others.
@Mae: @looch: I agree in this case it sounds like the parents weren't being respectful of the place and art at all, and that the kids could and should have been stopped.
bananas / 9899 posts
@Mrs. Twine: But these parents are just standing there letting their kid do this. I'm assuming if your daughter crawled on an art piece you would immediately remove her. I'm also assuming if you were approached you would apologize. These parents did neither of those things.
Maybe the kid isn't horrible, after all she's just a kid. The parents however? No excuse.
blogger / nectarine / 2608 posts
@pui: Yes, I would immediately remove her. And I would probably leave if it were clear that she couldn't maintain appropriate behavior in that setting.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Mrs. Twine: I think we all agree, yes. My favorite response in this kind of thread is "oh, who's going to post that they'd be totally fine letting their kid tromp all over a multi million dollar piece of art?" No one on this board.
Which is the point, we see things through OUR lenses. You see it through your lens of dealing with a daughter on the spectrum. The gallery owner looks at it through her lens of dealing with people being disrespectful to her investments.
Everyone could benefit from being a bit more kind.
grapefruit / 4923 posts
i agree that climbing on the sculpture was inappropriate, and that one would have hoped that as soon as the parents realized what their child was doing, they would have stopped it.
but i also agree with @Mrs. Twine: that the comment accompanying the photo: "Horrible kids, horrible parents" is extremely harsh. the child's behavior was inappropriate, it wasn't horrible. the parents' behavior was disappointing, annoying, self-entitled, whatever--but "horrible" is a very strong word.
blogger / nectarine / 2608 posts
@looch: Thank you. A much better summation of what I was thinking-- we can all get our needs met and still be kind to one another. The behavior could have been pointed out and dealt with with no meanness.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Mrs. Twine: Yes, exactly, because you just don't know what kind of stuff other people are dealing with. Why be mean, does it get you anywhere?
blogger / nectarine / 2608 posts
@looch: I try to live by that. That I will not solve anything by being hurtful. Ever. And if that parent was dealing with something (or that child) I think they would have really appreciated the kindness. I know that I do when Ellie "acts up" and people still are kind to her and to me. I don't care if they approve. Don't mind at all if they say something like, "Please don't do that," or whatever, but when they get intentionally hurtful it really upsets me.
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