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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman/index.html?c=mobile-homepage-t

I don't have an issue with Pres. Obama's remarks, but a CNN talking head did in a big way.

As a non-black person does the president's remarks bother you? Do you think President Obama is president of America or just Black America?

  1. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Considering that he is half white and half black I think he is president of all america.
    I don't see anything wrong with what he said, so I dont understand all the angry comments underneath. I am always put off by the hateful comments under news stories these days

  2. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    He really hasn't talked much about race at all as President! If anything, he's been criticized for not saying enough...

  3. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @Mrsbells: I think Obama is unfairly pulled into some of these news stories because he is a minority. When he draws upon his own experience, as a minority, he is accused of not being American enough to objectively represent all of America. The man can't win.

  4. deactivated_account

    GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts

    I don't like the media and the president continually flaring racial tensions. I don't perceive the GZ shooting to be racially motivated. TM wasn't an angelic little boy walking down the street with his little red wagon. I believe that if any adult-looking person of any race was in GZ's neighborhood looking like he was up to no good the same tradjedy could have occurred.

    Additionally, if Trayvon Martin had been white, I'd bet a million dollars Obama wouldn't be speaking on this issue and wouldn't be claiming to have looked just like Trayvon as a kid.

    I say this all in a cheerful, non-angry, tone.

  5. TemperanceBrennan

    pear / 1998 posts

    I applaud what he said. I think he was honest and real. As a white person, I don't know what it feels like to be followed when I'm shopping so someone can keep an eye on me. I think it is good that we have a president that has had those experiences.
    I'm so sad that the Trayvon Martin incident happened, but I think this is an important discussion we should have as a nation, as uncomfortable as it can be.

  6. Pirouette

    pomegranate / 3331 posts

    I saw something on Fox News (shocker) right before the verdict and all of the reporters agreed that the Trayvon case would never have been a "big deal" if Obama hadn't "interjected" race into the case. They actually went so far as to say it was his biggest mistake as president! I don't know how he interjected race into the case, but people see it the way they want to see it, i guess.

    There are people out there that will never see him as president first, but will always see him as black first. I think it is just inevitable. So anything he does or says will be scrutinized in that vein by that group of people.

  7. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @mrbee: He just gave an unnaounced press briefing and spoke for about 15 minutes. One CNN guest thought his remarks were inflammatory.

  8. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    I think there are much more important things he should be addressing the nation about than a case that the media had a frenzy over... these types of crimes & incidences happen all the time & never make the news, I just don't see how this one merits a national response from the president. Is it sad that things like this happen? Of course. But should the president really be taking the time out of what should be spent leading our nation & addressing issues like some of the national scandals that have occurred to speak about a case that some groups/persons are upset with the outcome? I just don't think so and that is what is a bit upsetting about the whole thing.

  9. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    Obama speaks on many things not just racial topics so the implication that he's president of only black america is absurd.

    @lisamarieloves: I'm not sure what happened during the confrontation but a black boy or man walking down the street to his home talking on a cell phone most certainly should not be a licence for murder.

  10. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Yah I got that... I was agreeing with you! No issue with his comments here. I just meant that he hasn't said much about race since his 2008 speech about race and Pastor Wright... other than his comments on Trayvon earlier this year, and his more private "beer summit."

  11. mrsbookworm

    pear / 1823 posts

    I think it's totally appropriate for the president to speak on a matter that has become a national conversation. While violent incidents do happen all the time, this one has generated a lot of thought about race, state laws and how our justice system works. It also has sparked protests all over the country. I think the president should speak about it and the fact that he may have some personal experiences to share just makes his remarks more relevant.

  12. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @lisamarieloves: The hightened racial tension you may be feeling in light of this tragedy is the tension many minorities feel everyday.

    Wether TM was an angel or not, we know a few things he was not. He was not a man, he just turned 17. He wasn't a criminal, he was carrying candy. GZ not only called the police on him, but followed him with a loaded weapon, and he shot him through the chest.

    No the president wouldn't say TM looked like him if TM was what white because it wouldn't be true. If TM were white though, I truly believe GZ would have been arrested. Found innocent still? Maybe, but arrested for sure. TM's parents had to protest and raise alot of noise just for the arrest. All that attention TM's parents caused is why the President even know's TM's name. If TM was white I don't think his parents would have had to do all of this.

  13. deactivated_account

    GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts

    @Maysprout: The trial court's ruling in the GZ case does not indicate in any way that a person can shoot another person who is walking down the street. That isn't what ocurred in the GZ/TM situation.

    Recently a clearly mentally unstable homless man was sitting on the curb in my tiny condo community. It was about 6 pm and little kids were riding their bikes and scooters around. My husband approached him to inquire as to his needs and reasons for being there out of concern for the children. The man was very agitated and even more revealed his mental instability during their brief encounter. If a confrontation had ensued, my DH would have defended himself to best of ability. My DH had every right to approach the man. And he would have every right to defend himself as was called for by the situation.

  14. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @lisamarieloves: George Zimmerman said in his 911 call that the suspicious person looked like a teen. so he didnt perceive him to be an adult at that time.

  15. hummusgirl

    persimmon / 1233 posts

    I think it's easy for people who have never experienced racism to dismiss this case and think everyone should just move on. But I'm glad the president is speaking up about this, because race relations are a major problem in this country and ignoring it won't solve things. And...the idea that the president is only president of "black America" is awful...was Kennedy only president of Catholic America?

  16. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Yes I agree with you

    @hummusgirl: Precisely!

  17. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @TemperanceBrennan: Very well said, I think if we all try to understand things from the other side, we will move forward as a nation. Instead of dismissing the issues and pretending they do not exist

  18. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    I think his comments about laws promoting violent confrontations is inflammatory . . . and out of line.

    I am not an Obama supporter or fan, BUT I will say that I think this is the most *real* I have ever seen him on camera, and despite my political views, I am interested to know more about him personally, as our experiences do, in part, shape who we are. And he is the POTUS.

    He lost me when he attributed violence in poor black neighborhoods to "this country's violent past" . . . because it ignores other relevant history.

  19. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    @lisamarieloves: 'I believe that if any adult-looking person of any race was in GZ's neighborhood looking like he was up to no good the same tradjedy could have occurred.'

    That's the part of your statement I took issue with. A black boy is not sketchy just because he is black. If I called the cops on every 17 year old of any race walking near my house at 7 pm the cops would probably block my #.

    Like I said, no one knows what happened in the confrontation but there is no indication that Trayvon was 'looking like he was up to no good'.

  20. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    @Maysprout: When I am alone, I find all 17 year old boys in hoodies to be *sketchy* . . . #justsayin.

  21. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    @MsLipGloss: There's tons of kids around where I live. If I was scared of 17 year olds in hoodies I'd be having a panic attack every night. That being said I live in a low crime neighborhood despite the presence of lots of 17 year old boys. A shed on our property was broken into so maybe I should be more vigilant like GZ, but that was done by a 50 year old white guy. I don't try to confront every middle age white guy I see as a potential shed robber though.

  22. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    @Maysprout: I'm with you . . . I just moved to the 'burbs from the city, so my spidey senses are still in overdrive.

  23. CupQuakeWalk

    coconut / 8475 posts

    Just.....no comment
    Thanks for sharing the link!

  24. deactivated_account

    GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts

    @Maysprout: I don't really take issue with anyone's statements on this board. I'm just giving my opinion on this issue. I don't really know how TM looked on that tragic night. But I am sure he didn't look like a child. The point is that GZ approached him, a fight ensued, GZ killed him and the jury found it to be justifiable. GZ didn't sniper TM from the bushes. He shot him during a physical altercation. I wish GZ had had the ability to just fight TM off. That would have been the best result. And what did happen is absolutely sad and tragic.

  25. plantains

    grapefruit / 4671 posts

    @lisamarieloves: we do know however that he looked like a teen and not a man, and we know this because GZ himself said so.

    As opposed to wishing GZ had the ability to fight TM off, I wish he would have stayed in his car like he was clearly instructed to instead of following him with a loaded weapon. If he was scared of the biy walking to buy candy, he should have locked his door.

    I am black so maybe I am biased, but it is refreshing to finally hear someone acknowledging what we all know. People follow me in stores all the time, I am constantly denied entry to nice bars and clubs, taxi drivers constantly swoop by me to pick up the white girl down the street and everyone and their dog assumes that I am in a nice building to clean someone's house or look after their child. I am educated, pretty, well dressed and look like a threat to no one (whatever threatening looks like.)

    People who have never experienced this might not see what the big deal is. The big deal is that we are frightened for the lives of our sons and daughters and quite frankly neither the media nor politicians have done enough to get people talking about how we can stop this.

  26. MrsKoala

    cantaloupe / 6869 posts

    It doesn't bother me at all. I completely understand what he was saying and agree.

  27. mrsjazz

    coconut / 8234 posts

    @mrsbookworm: Agreed--this case became national, it's only right for the President to respond.

    @mrbee: I feel like he's gotten a lot of flack for not speaking about race, but he's in an interesting situation because when he does talk about race he's "the president of Black America" and when he doesn't talk about race he's not doing enough for Black people (some people think)--so he just doesn't seem to win.

  28. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @mrsjazz: I mentioned this to someone else, but he did win twice in the Presidential race! He's in a tough spot for sure though.

  29. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    I'm white and I loved what he said. I like to see him being honest and real and speaking from the heart. I think it's valuable for people to see the president talking about being in the receiving end of racial discrimination and I think him saying that Trayvon could have been him 30 years ago is powerful and, unfortunately, absolutely true. Although really, I think the people who would benefit the most from taking his words to heart will likely just dismiss them. So much of politics is an echo chamber these days -- people repeat the things they agree with and ignore the things that don't fit with their worldview. It's unfortunate.

  30. deactivated_account

    GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts

    @plantains: I am so very sorry to hear about your experiences. It truly is awful. In what region of the country do you live? I have a very diverse group of friends. My and DH's small wedding party included our very bestest friends who are black, white and vietnamese. I really hate to think of people targeting someone for any reason just based upon their race and I'm not naive and thinking it still does not occur in our country. But I will always support one's right to protect him or herself when needed.

  31. MrsKoala

    cantaloupe / 6869 posts

    @MrsSCB: You are certainly right about the people who would benefit most from what Obama has to say dismissing it because of politics. It's incredibly frustrating and I wonder how this country will ever change in terms of racial relations if people don't wake up and realize that we are not in a post-racial society yet. There is still so much more work to be done.

  32. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    @MrsKoala: 100 percent agreed, and it's frustrating how much extreme partisanship holds us back from progress in so many ways.

  33. lomom

    nectarine / 2127 posts

    @lisamarieloves: +1 I wish they'd focus on doing something positive in his memory. I really feel like he's just stirrrrrrrrring the pot.

    "There are probably very few African-American men who have not had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars." Um, if anyone gets remotely near my car, I make sure the doors are locked. Black, white, Asian, boy, girl, business suit, hoodie, doesn't matter. If they seem like they're getting too close, I check the locks!

  34. mrsjazz

    coconut / 8234 posts

    @lisamarieloves: I can't speak for @plantains: but all the things she mentioned happen to me--I've been followed in stores, when I'm with friends we make our white friend hail taxis for us, and more and all of these things happen to me in New York City.

    And also, you'd win that bet of a million dollars because if Trayvon was white President Obama wouldn't say that he looked like him because that wouldn't be true.

  35. deactivated_account

    GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts

    @septemberlove: Seriously. A white man on meth scares the crap out of me more than anyone!

  36. Dandelion

    watermelon / 14206 posts

    @lisamarieloves: You said exactly what I think about it all.

  37. lomom

    nectarine / 2127 posts

    @lisamarieloves: definitely.

  38. TemperanceBrennan

    pear / 1998 posts

    @septemberlove: I think spurring a national discussion about race is a positive thing. I've learned SO MUCH about racial bias and race relations in the past weeks that he changed my perspective. I'm grateful for that.

  39. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @septemberlove: I think what is being missed here is that was one example of a shared experience. Add that to the other examples of maltreatment and we have a serious problem.

    My husband was on a business trip in KY. He was advised not to stay in a hotel in the KY city. One night he and his co workers went out to dinner in KY. The waitress took his order, but after everyone else was served the group realized very quickly his food wasn't delayed it simply wasn't going to arrive.

    A friend and her mother visited me in FL and stayed at a boutique hotel on the beach. They were stopped by other guests and mistaken for maids. And it wasn't a "Do you work here?," they were ordered to do things.

    My brother has been stopped in my mom's neighborhood. The police wanted to check his ID to make sure in fact he lived there.

    In PA, I remember shopping at a jewelry store with a boyfriend and the clerk asked us our names. She remarked "oh, you have Mainline names!" I felt if our names were something else she would have decided we were not worth her time. Our names fit with neighborhood so we must be okay.

    There's an ever present sense of being marginalized.

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