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along with @chelsearose: i think we're going through the dreaded 4 month sleep regression.
anyone else?
A's been sleeping 7-7 give or take 30 min since v-day and the last couple nights he's woken up twice. the first night, i didn't realize the time and brought him to bed nurse for our morning session, thinking it was 630 and he'd just woken up early. only to realize it was actually 130. i put him back to bed, but he woke up at 4, and then again at 7, so i nursed him both times since id nursed him at his first wake and he seemed genuinely hungry.
last night, he went to bed promptly at 7 and woke up again at 130, pacied him, slept until 4, pacied him, and woke up at 530 and showed hunger signs so i brought him to bed to nurse and we slept until 830.
i'm hoping it's just the 4 month regression... and that it doesn't last too long. the next cpl wks at work are going to be brutal, i don't even know how i'll survive on little sleep! :T....
as far as swaddle weaning, we went cold turkey one night during week 11 and he sleeps well without it. he's never been a swaddle fan though~
naps on the other hand are a diff story. naps in his crib are exactly 30 min, though when he naps in the swing he'll sleep for at least an hour... ugh. i haven't been too strict about naps though because he's consistently slept 12 hours at night for a while and his short naps add up to 3 hours throughout the day.
on a brighter note, we went to my gf's bridal shower today and he was a star!
was so well behaved for the entire 5 hour outing! hope y'all are having a good wknd!
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@SLR: I think it is technically for back sleeping, but I don't think there is anything unsafe about it once they can roll. My little guy has rolled over while swaddled twice, which is why we started with the Merlin to begin with. Also, one of the moms in a group that I've gone to uses it with her very mobile 9-10 month old.
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@mrsjyw: My little guy was doing pretty well from about 11/12 weeks until about 16 weeks. He would sleep 9-10+ hour stretches without a problem. I want him to get back to that ASAP. If he doesn't get there on his own in another month or so, then we are sleep training him (and taking away the pacifier).
Last night was awful. Down at 7:30, up at 10:30. Would not go back down until I nursed him. Up at 3:30 and because of the time change this was actually only three hours later. Nursed again. Up at 6:30, given pacifier. Now he's up again about an hour later and will be up for the day. Yesterday in the morning he only took two 30 minute naps and then a two hour nap at 2:30 pm. Based on that I figured the night was going to be bad and it was! I could almost cry thinking about how awful this is combined with going back to work next week.
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@highwire: @kml636: @SLR: @ChelseaRose: @travelgirl1: thanks ladies! we did another trial run at daycare on friday and i didn't tear up or cry! i was only gone an hour though. but hopefully i'll make it through next week okay.
@travelgirl1: we are swaddle weaned. she learned to find her thumb but i still don't think her sleep has been the same since we weaned. she pretty consistently wakes up in the middle of a nap. she can usually fall back asleep after a couple min but when she was swaddled she'd sleep for 2 hours straight.
my LO has developed some sort of witching hour! i thought it was just for newborns. but usually around 6pm she is just whiny and fussy and crying. i think its cause shes tired so i try to get her to catnap but she has a hard time falling asleep. the last couple nights i tried draping a blanket over her head while holding her and giving her a paci and she passes out so fast. its like magic! hoping this helps her fussy period
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@ChelseaRose: thinking of u! Hope u get btr sleep asap.
A did better last night. Went down at seven fussed at midnight but fell back asleep when I was making my way tonhis room and woke up 1x at the new 545....nursed n we cobedded until 730. His usual wake time... he took a two hr am nap n napped well today so we'll see how it goes tonight.
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We are sleep training right now. I'm getting this over with. He went down without a problem a little after 8 and then woke up at 12:30. He wouldn't take the pacifier and I don't think he's all that hungry because I gave him an extra two ounces (beyond what he got from nursing) and didn't drink what was left in the bottle (another two ounces). He kinda yelled and protested for about 30 minutes on and off, but I think he went back to sleep.
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A went to bed at 720, passed out by 730 and woke up at 4am (pacied) and passed out again until 7am... I hope we're slowly getting away from this 4 month regression.... (knock on wood)
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Poor C is sick. Chest congestion, raspy cough, CRANK mood.
Spitting up and drooling like crazy.
I think we are in a trifecta of early teething, sickness, and sleep regression.
Her schedule is all off too because we have been gone for 4 days at my in laws. We had her Christening and she wailed through the entire thing. :'(
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@highwire: Hope she gets over it soon!
We've also had a huge uptick in spitting up over the past week. It's constant...and then she is hungry again right after. She has been pretty clingy and fussier than normal too. I thought the clingy/fussiness was maybe still part of the adjustment to daycare, but she was the same way all weekend. Hoping it's just a short phase! Did some reading on the wonder weeks and saw that WW19 fussy period starts around now. Buy who knows...seems there is always a growth spurt, WW, or something to blame!
We still aren't STTN again (with the exception of a surprise ten hour stretch on Friday) but we'll get there....SOMEDAY!
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Ugh this sleep stuff is for the birds. I can handle crying, getting puked on, poop, anything. Just let me sleep at night.
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@highwire: Ha! Agreed. But I want naps to be perfect, too. Too much?
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@highwire: I agree! I can handle a lot if I'm well rested!
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Found LO on her belly this morning in her crib...guess this means we have to try swaddle weaning again
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@highwire: oh no! That's the exact reason we did it. Was she yelling/crying or just content? My little guy let me know ASAP that he was not happy on his tummy like that.
So, night two of sleep training went really well. He went to bed without his pacifier and without crying. He was awake for awhile around 2am (a more than 5 hour stretch of sleep which is better than what we have been experiencing), but never really cried. Sure, he fussed and he yelled for a bit, but not actual crying. He went back to sleep in about 30 minutes. He fussed a couple other times, but I had the sound down on the monitor. I heard him get up a little before 7, and he still wasn't crying just kinda talking to himself and a little fussing. So I woke my husband up and we went in together to say good morning and just be really positive and happy. He doesn't act any more hungry in the mornings (he was previously night weaned for about a month) than when I fed him in the middle of the night for the past two weeks. I'm not nearly as tired today as I was the past few days-weeks, so I feel like I might be able to function at work. One week left! I start back next Tuesday!
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@ChelseaRose: She was cool! Just doing her normal morning stirring, but she wasn't mad at all. It doesn't really surprise me because i know she loves sleeping on her tummy.
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@highwire: Poor baby C ( and poor you)! Hope she feels better soon. This sleep regression sucks. I'm at a total loss of what to do. @ChelseaRose: That is awesome he's sleep training so well! I'm jealous!
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@kml636: I think that's the hardest part about this! "waiting it out" is all I've read... it's different than tips on transitioning to crib, swaddle weaning, etc.
A did okay last night too, he went down at 7pm, stirred a bit at midnight, and woke up at 520am. gahhhh, just need to stretch it back out til 7am
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@highwire: good luck with swaddle weaning... i know the towel horseshoe helped us and @lindsaykaye: too!
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@ChelseaRose: yyyaayy sounds like you're in good shape for next week! A started STTN 12 hours the week before I went back to work, i have NO idea how I could've survived without that sleep! God bless our LOs.
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@mrsjyw: Towel Horseshoe? Just put it around her head or what?
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@highwire: i rolled a towel long ways and in a horseshoe shape underneath the crib sheet; i'd lay him down and then bring the horseshoe snug around him, he fell asleep well and it gave him that 'cozy' feeling. I used it to transition from cosleeping to pnp/crib and also until we cold turkey swaddle weaned
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@mrsjyw: Okay, I'm so going to try that! I'm still swaddling, but I will try to put her down without it. Then she wakes up and I give up and reswaddle her lol.
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Hmm, I might have to try the rolled towel/receiving blanket under the crib sheet for swaddle-weaning too. I used two rolled receiving blankets (one on each side of her) when we moved from the bassinet to the crib, but didn’t think to try this for swaddle weaning. Her problem is the crazy arms, constantly rubbing her face and flailing about. I wonder if it will do anything to help this? She can go unswaddled for 25-30 minute naps, which is around the same length of time as she naps swaddled. But I don’t think she could make it through the night. She is soooo close to rolling both ways – I know I don’t have much longer. Boo…
For those of you that are in the midst of or have already done sleep training, how did you decide your LO was ready? Did you talk to the doctor first to see when and how they recommend going about this? Right now, Em usually wakes once per night (typically 2-3am) and does act genuinely hungry. I know that is still very natural (and I think more the norm) for babies at this age to wake once at night and because she seems truly hungry, I haven’t given a lot of thought to sleep training. But hearing about all of your LO’s good sleep makes me curious.
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@kml636: go for it! i used the horsehoe for a while, then swaddle weaned cold turkey one night, then LO grew out of it, and sleeps fine completely unswaddled in crib now just in a sleepsack
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@SLR: A was an arm flair-er and just grew out of it on his own - we only swaddled between week 6- week 11 during pnp/crib transitions and then cold turkey unswaddled him and he was STTN a week later.
we didn't sleep train? A was on a 1x wake/feed during the night for a few weeks, then during week7-10 he was up 2/3x feeding. the weekend between wk 10-11, he was waking 2x but didn't show hunger signs (we were out of town) and i only nursed him to relieve my engorgement, when we got back home- i decided on a whim (my last wk of mat leave) to move him to his crib/own room and night wean at the same time. first two nights he was up at exactly his usual 2-3x wake times and I pacied him back down, the third night--- he stirred a bit 1x, but was asleep before DH made it to his room and he slept 12+ hours.
he's been sleeping 12+ hours 7-7 since then until last thurs when we hit our 4 month regression at 15 wks. he woke up 2x the first two nights, and the last two nights he's back to sttn, but only 10 hours and woke up at 5am...
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@mrsjyw: I know, a couple of you ladies hit the baby lottery when it came to naturally good sleepers!!
I'm hoping that once she can roll both ways on her own she'll become a tummy sleeper. Then...swaddle problem solved!
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Having such a shitty day, you guys.
LO is super sick and the daycare just called to tell me she is super mucousy and is having trouble drinking her bottles.
I've been pumping almost 10 oz lately at work and today I'm only going to wind up with a total of 4.
I was out of work yesterday b/c we were out of town and today there is nothing going on. I hate work days like this.
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@SLR: I didn't talk to my doctor first, but he was sleeping through the night for about 9-10+ hours for a month. Then we started dealing with swaddle weaning, a cold, shots, and a sleep regression, so he was waking up multiple times. He would sometimes take a pacifier and other times would act hungry, so I'd nurse him. The past two nights I did not go in and did not nurse him at all, but he didn't act any more hungry in the morning than he used to. When he was waking up, he'd act starving, but in the mornings he's not nearly as bad. I don't want him to get into the habit of getting up at night because he wants to hang out with me. I've heard that you shouldn't do sleep training for the purpose of night weaning and that night weaning should be tackled first/separately if LO doesn't do it on their own, especially at this young. However, I knew that if he could go without eating all night on his own from about 3-4months old, then he would be fine now at a little over 4 months.
His naps have not been great recently, so I'm trying to work on that too. Today he took three short naps (45 minutes, and 2 20 minutes) and when we got home he woke up (this was the last 20 minute nap). I knew he was still tired so I put him in his crib for a nap and he was fighting it. He eventually went to sleep, but woke up at 45 minutes again. He still looked tired and wasn't taking his pacifier, so I let him fuss/yell for a few minutes and then he went back to sleep. Sometimes he seems awake and ok after a 45 minute nap (one sleep cycle), but it was obvious that he was still tired. I wasn't planning to "nap train" specifically, but I guess it is kinda similar in terms of him learning to put himself back to sleep. That was the main reason for trying to sleep train.
ETA: After putting himself back to sleep he slept for almost two hours. I knew he needed a nap!
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@ChelseaRose: Thanks! Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Because she is hungry, I don't think she'd be quite ready for any hardcore sleep training. I think we might start by putting her back down without feeding if she ever wakes up before 2am (which isn't an issue on most nights) and go from there. She's only done 8 hour stretches a half dozen or so times and gave us the one surprise 10 hour stretch this past weekend. So, I'm thinking she's probably not quite there yet.
Naps are bad for us too. Very rarely does she get past 30 minutes (unless she's in her stroller/carseat). She's been coming home from daycare exhausted. We'll put her down for a half hour nap, but she's still tired and fussy when she wakes. We've found that she's most content just sitting in her swing (but not swinging) while we eat dinner. It's like she's not ready for bed yet, but she is too overstimulated from the day. I guess the girl just needs some downtime like her mamma!
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@highwire: That sucks...poor C!! The mucus is probably the cause of her spitting up more then? Hoping she gets better soon!
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Pediatrician wants to check her for RSV tomorrow
:'(
At least I get an unplanned morning with my sweet girl. Appointment is not until 1045
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@highwire: I hope C feels better soon and doesn't have RSV.
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Doctor says its bronchiolitis (baby bronchitis) which is the same symptoms as RSV so she didn't want to bother doing the test for it. Got saline drops and a couple of aspirators to use if necessary (although it has already moved out of her nose and into her chest)
She started with a runny nose last week which with green snot, began having a barking cough over the weekend along with stuffy/waxy ears Yesterday her nose was so stuffy she was having trouble eating, and kept spitting up a lot of mucus. This morning her nose has been clear, but her chest is really congested. Barking cough continues, and she even coughed up some blood tinged mucous.
I think yesterday was the worst of it. Hopefully she is on the upswing.
She's happy as a clam though! And sleeping remarkably well for being so sick (only one wake up last night)
She hasn't ran a fever at all, so I went ahead and sent her to daycare because I didn't want to take off any more work since I just came back a few weeks ago as it is. Daycare staff said it is going around and not to feel bad about bringing her in.
My MIL is on spring break since she works at a school, so hopefully she can up into town and be with her for the end of the week.
It was extremely hard to leave her at daycare, but what can you do? Hazard of being a working mom, I guess.
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@highwire: omg, hope she's ok!
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@SLR: I have the same problem when LO gets home from daycare. She immediately naps yet still is a cranky pants.
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@mrsjyw: MIL is in town watching LO! I felt like you this morning when we didn't have to rush around trying to leave early enough to drop LO off at daycare. We just left her at home with her grandma! SO lovely.
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@highwire: hoooray for grandmas! hope C is feeling better!! it is SO nice not to have the hustle and bustle in the ams. Sometimes my mom comes later in the day when I've got a slow morning on my work from home days and even then I'm itching 'til she gets there so that I can "get ready" for the day.
so i'm hoping the worst of the regression is over for us. he stirs at 3am and 5am every night, but the last couple of nights he's put himself back to sleep.
however, i'm still tired from staring at the monitor at both times 'til he went back down. *YAWN*
and of course today and tomorrow are hectic days in the office.
on a lighter note, A laughed for the first time a couple days ago. Heart melting. The belly laughter of a baby is the purest of all sounds.
Hope you are having a good week, can't wait for the wknd!
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@mrsjyw: ahhhh love laughs. I work all day to get them from my LO bc they are so precious.
We're both sick here
I'm worried my supply is down and he's eating less so I let him nurse for a second time overnight, hoping it doesn't start a trend!!
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@mrsjyw: Epic fail on avoiding the hustle and bustle with all of the forgotten pump parts situation discussed in that other thread of mine....
So glad you got a good chuckle out of A!!! We are still waiting on one over here.
@scg00387: Hope you both feel better soon! Stay hydrated!
Ya'll, my hair is seriously falling out. Strands everywhere!!
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@highwire: Oh man SO MUCH HAIR EVERYWHERE. I have super long hair, too so it gets tangled up in pretty much everything. I feel so bad when our dog accidentally eats some
I'm going to the salon tomorrow to get my color touched up and a trim. Keeping the long hair (even though LO now loves to grab it) because it's so much easier for me to do than short but I'm jealous of those of you who can pull off a shorter 'do (like @MrsTricycle).Hope those whose babies aren't feeling so good or aren't feeling too hot themselves get better soon!
was so well behaved for the entire 5 hour outing! 
I'm worried my supply is down and he's eating less so I let him nurse for a second time overnight, hoping it doesn't start a trend!!
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