I wish there were more easy answers with this stuff!
After his motn feeds he falls asleep nursing too, when he was awake yet he always fell right back to sleep in his RnP, but its been weeks since he hasn't fallen asleep nursing!
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@Adira: I was just about to say "sure - move it to 2:30 and see what happens!" but now I'm thinking maybe it makes sense to keep things as it is for a bit more and see if your body gets the message to make more milk at that time. I read a really interesting article that someone posted on the boards yesterday so now I'm thinking more about supply and demand
I wish there were more easy answers with this stuff!Hope your work day goes well!
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@KayKay: I pretty much do the same. I don't nurse to sleep for nap unless it's sort of a disaster situation. Even at night I give him a kiss and tell him that I love him after nursing, which wakes him up a little. It seems like if he's truly asleep when I put him down he'll wake up a few minutes later screaming. If he's a little bit awake when I put him down he doesn't seem so startled.
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@adira: might as well give it a shot for a couple days! i think i ended up only pumping at 1030 and 230 after 4 months last time bc i could get enough for the next day and felt i had better evening supply. you could always pump again after he goes to bed too?
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@MrsF: I was actually just thinking the same thing as I was posting my question! That maybe if I keep on as is, my body will eventually just make more milk for Logan at that time. And I should probably pump as much as I can while I can!
@KayKay: I do the same thing. EASY. So while I was home with Logan, I wouldn't nurse him to sleep for his naps, but I tended to nurse him to sleep at night just because he'd do these long awake stretches in the evening and I'd end up nursing him twice in that time and the second time he'd fall asleep. I think eventually when his naps are more consistent, I'll end up not nursing to sleep at bedtime, just like with Xander.
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@Adira: I can't remember who posted this or when (I hope it wasn't on this thread - embarrassing!) but I thought the part about your supply increasing in as little as one day when your baby had a higher demand was interesting:
http://dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/dph/chs/files/resmohrbachermagicnumber2011.pdf
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@mrsf: solo BTR can be such a struggle with two! We have had some rough toddler times too...it's so hard asking them to understand changing their routine or being patient. But chocolate and wine make everything better, right?
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We took E traveling for the first time this past weekend. DH had a job interview in MN so we left K home with grandma and E and I tagged along. She did awesome! The joke was on all of the people who chose a middle seat instead of an aisle next to a baby -- she slept the whole time on both flights. And did awesome sleeping in the hotel crib and napping on the go while we had things to do. I also forgot how many people in the Midwest will just strike up a conversation about your baby
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@KayKay: that's great that she did so well! Must have made things so much easier for you.
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@MrsF: you Absolutely deserve to treat your self after found bedtime for 2 solo!! I hope they are better next time!
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@Adira: I think this is the time milk supply is fully regulated.. I would think that 2 hrs is enough for milk to build back up? Maybe he just really missed his mama and nursing?
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@KayKay: that's awesome!
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So I was venting on FB that K's hunger cues seem less noticable now and since she isn't 100% good with bottle I struggle to figure out when she is hungry. I guess my mom will just have to figure it out starting tomorrow... I just don't want her to not eat enough during the day and nurse all through the night to make it up or something!
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@snowjewelz: Yeah, I was wondering if maybe he just missed me too. When I was home, he was nursing every 2-2.5 hours, so I'm going that long between pumping and nursing... though he may not have fully been emptying me and the pump is??
When you're with K, how often does she nurse? With Logan, I assume that if it's been less than 2 hours, he's probably not hungry (except sometimes in the evenings when I can't figure him out, I'll feed him early as a last resort). And I assume that if he takes his 4 oz bottle, he can go at least 2 hours before he's hungry again. But if he eats less, then he might be hungrier sooner...
Babies are confusing.
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@Adira: I nurse her when she wakes up from nap and if it's under 2 hrs I wait till at least 2 hr mark to feed her again. She only ate 1.5oz since 10! I feel like she has got to be hungry but she is passed out again.. Ahh they ARE so confusing!
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@snowjewelz: I hear you. With Xander, I did a weighted feed a couple times and saw that he only had 3.5-4 oz from me and then he'd easily go 3-4 hours before being hungry again. But at daycare he was having 5 oz bottles and they were always telling me he was starving before the 3 hour mark! I can't figure these kids out.
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@MrsF: the evenings are a disaster here some nights unless my husband is home by 6. Ryan does MOT nap in the evenings so it's just anything goes so that I can get dinner on the table. My toddler watches way too much television.
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@Adira: Jeez Micah only eats 8-9oz while I'm at work. I hope that's not too little!
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@whenoceansrise: It probably isn't! Supposedly your baby should only need 1-1.5 oz for every hour they are away from you. Mine have always been on the higher end. And some babies just take in more when they are nursing and with mom instead of taking it from bottles. One of the babies in Logan's class only has a few ounces total while there and presumably reverse cycles instead.
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@Adira: ahhh, I was a tad worried!
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@whenoceansrise: I think 3-4 oz bottles are pretty standard, so you should be fine! Unless your baby is getting hungry after only a short period of time, he is probably getting enough.
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@snowjewelz: She might settle more into a routine on the bottle? I think when you know she took X oz it's easier to say you aren't going to feed her again for 3 hours. My first son was a cat napper and so EASY stopped working around 4 months. Instead I just fed him every 2-3 hours and his naps finally adjusted around 5 mos.
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@Adira: @whenoceansrise: I plan on just leaving 12 oz she either she eats 4 times of 3 oz bottles or 3 times 4 oz bottles!
Kara really is strange. She ate 1 oz at 10, 2 oz at 1 and now 3.5 (prob would have ate 4 if I let her). Ahh she is giving me even more anxiety going back to work tomorrow!
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@winniebee: you are right.. I'm finding as her naps get shorter easy isn't really feasible anymore!
Well, the only good side to her not eating is that what I pump is def enough..
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@snowjewelz: Are you doing bottles today to get an idea of how much she'll need when you go back to work? I wonder if she'll nurse more this evening because she didn't drink that much during the day.
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I have been pumping/leaving 3-5 oz bottles for daycare. Yesterday she said he wasn't very interested in the 2nd bottle. When Ethan was with DH somedays he would only take 2 bottles, and somedays he'd eat more, so I just let her know not to force it if he doesn't want it.
@Adira: I pump 3x per day at 9:30, 12:30, and 3:30 now... I found that I'm only getting maybe a 1/2 oz less by pumping 3x vs 4. Did you decide to keep the 3:30 pumping time?
You guys are definitely making me think i need to get some sort of schedule! Right now I nurse to sleep, he nurses at around 9 and falls asleep, so i put him to bed at that time, we have only tried once to put him asleep awake (cried after 20 minutes).
After his motn feeds he falls asleep nursing too, when he was awake yet he always fell right back to sleep in his RnP, but its been weeks since he hasn't fallen asleep nursing!I'm not sure if anyone else posted this, but wanted to in case anyone had missed it for MrsScallop. (I read the initial post on here but then had to do some searching to find it back!) Here is the link to the gofundme page:
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@Adira: I go back to work tomorrow.. I'm not seeing how much she will drink.. I know she can drink 3 oz.. I just don't know why she didn't want to eat today!
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@josina: so does E take like 5 naps up till like 7-8 if his "bed time" is 9? I've been trying to figure out whether to put K down between 7-8 for last nap or for sleep.. We have done both and honestly not much difference?!
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We are only on day 3 of daycare, but he naps for 20 minutes on the way home, yesterday for 15 min. After we got home, so 5:15-5:50. He nurses between 6 and 7 and takes another short nap, and then I put him to bed after his 9:00 feeding. But he's pretty much the boss right now. Night 1 after daycare he went 6-1/2 hrs after I put him down, last night only 4.
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@josina: nice! He is prob adjusting to daycare. I'm bracing myself for a fussy baby as everything changes for her tomorrow!
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UGH!!! I didn't get all my bottle parts back from daycare!!!
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@Adira: whaat? Like what! Do you have spAres?
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@josina: I ended up keeping the 3:30 session. And I think my supply might already be regulating to Logan's demand because when he nursed tonight at 6:00, I heard lots of swallowing and he didn't seem nearly as fussy!
@snowjewelz: Ugh, LUCKILY it wasn't anything super important. I'm missing two nipples, one cover, and one adapter ring. But luckily I have a spare adapter ring, so I'm sending the bottles with caps instead of nipples and wrote a note that they should have the items there. So annoying! Guess I should check next time that I have everything before I leave!
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I consider Logan's bedtime to be between 7:00 and 8:00. Sometimes he'll nurse and not fall asleep and so we'll put him down drowsy but awake. He'll fall asleep on his own (usually with a lot of shushing and replacing the pacifier). Depending on when I last fed him, I might do a dreamfeed at 9:00 to get him through the night (and occasionally he'll wake around 9:00 to eat and then pass back out), but I still consider his bedtime to be 7:00-8:00.
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Ryan goes to bed at 8. Having 2 I just needed some consistency and Ryan's naturally occurring wake time is around 7 so it doesn't make sense for him to go to bed much later. Have been doing a bed time bottle about half the time - I like this because it guarantees that I won't be the only person able to put Ryan to bed - and sometimes he won't nurse for long if super tired at bed time whereas he will take a full bottle (even if he nursed an hour earlier).
Jammie's bottle swaddle finish bottle bed (or Jammie's swaddle nurse bed). Have to keep him upright after feedings so he is usually pretty out by the time he is in bed but sometimes not (tonight he fussed a few mins). I pump and watch tv and we go to bed at 9. We usually don't hear from him until his first motn feeding (typically there are 2).
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Oh, I forgot to tell you ladies! Logan actually smiled at me when I picked him up today!!! When I walked into the room, he was lying on the floor against a boppy and crying. The teacher was already on her way to him and said "Oh, he just lost his binky!" She picked him up and was putting the pacifier back into his mouth when he saw me and just got this HUGE grin on his face!!!
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@Adira: so sweet!
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@winniebee: And such a surprise! Xander never was excited to see me until he was ~15 months!
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@winniebee: J is the same with the evening naps! Just totally refuses. If his afternoon nap doesn't go late enough, I know that I'm in for a nightmare. Thankfully my mom was here tonight at bedtime - so nice to have another adult here. Also Nana is super exciting for M, so that's a major plus.
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Most nights I start nursing J at 7:30 and he is sleeping by 8. If he's crazy and DH is here to do M's tub then I'll start nursing J at 7 and put him down by 7:30.
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@Adira: I love the image of him grinning as he saw you! Your heart must have just swelled
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