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  1. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @NovBaby1112: It seems fairly likely at this point, considering DH hates his job and can't wait to quit and has no alternatives where we are now, but was accepted into a school in CO. It would be for two years, but then the careers in that field are also not in NY, so it would basically mean not living in NY for the next decade at least...

    last night was miserable!! C slept from 6:45 to 12:30 (of course, I had gone to bed at 11 since I was out at dinner..), and then was up at 3:30, and 5. And chatting away at 5:30. Finally I stuck her ih the swing and slept on the couch next to her for an hour. Ugh!

  2. renee0106

    cherry / 197 posts

    @NovBaby1112: This last week DS's naps have been really short too 30-45 minutes most times and I can't get him to sleep any longer. He doesn't have a pacifier and has never been swaddled (he just never liked it). Daycare seems to get him to take longer naps, but it's never consistent each day.

    @hilsy85: I hear ya on last night being miserable. This last week has been miserable for sleeping for DS. He usually was sleeping from 730pm to 3 or 4am but this last week he has been going to bed between 630-7pm and waking up around midnight, 3, 5, and then 6. He's just constantly hungry! 2 times this week he has eaten 45-50oz in a day. I

    DS has been doing really good lately! Just in the last few days he's finally starting to enjoy tummy time more and has actually started scooting across the floor on his belly (when I put my hands behind his feet so he can push off). He's also really liking his jumper lately and can entertain himself in it for about 45 minutes at a time.

  3. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @renee0106: that's awesome that he's mobile (kind of)! So fun! I don't actually think that my DD is hungry--I think she just needs the boob to soothe herself back to sleep! Sounds like your guy is going thru a growth spurt, hopefully it is over soon!

  4. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    @hilsy85: sorry about the sleep!! I've been going to bed so early lately, like 8!! I am exhausted by then.

    @renee0106: oh wow scooting already??! That's awesome! I cant wait for DS to sit up and start crawling, such a fun age! Have you tried lengthening his awake time? I increased DS's to 2 hours in between naps, 2 1/2 hours if it was a super long nap, and he seems to be napping longer.

    So I've been gradually trying to get rid of DS's 1am night feed by giving less and less ounces then. We were at 3oz for a few days, and last night he slept right through it until 5am!! I was shocked! I hope it continues...

  5. renee0106

    cherry / 197 posts

    @NovBaby1112: I'll have to give that a try. If I had to guess his awake time between naps is less than 2 hours on the days when he's taking these super short naps. I'll have to try to keep him awake longer. It's just so hard when he gets fussy and just wants to go to sleep, I usually just give in!

  6. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @renee0106: my ds' naps are like this too. He's doing better at night now but I actually think this is pretty normal. A lot of babies lengthen their naps later on.

  7. renee0106

    cherry / 197 posts

    @2littlepumpkins: Oh that's good to know, that makes me feel better!

  8. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @hilsy85: what does your dh do? No advice, hopefully it would just be temporary. Also, with sleep, we have our kids in their own rooms now and us in our loft but with an apartment they can still hear each other. One wakes up in the morning and they're both up.

  9. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    I'm wanting some advice for what people would do in this situation: we went for our 4 month appointment and j only weighed 14.1 and dropped in percentiles. She weighed 12.2 at her 2 month appointment. Her height and head circumference increased and are on track. The doctor said not to be concerned until we get to 6 month appointment and that I could start trying solids. I don't think we are at that stage yet so I don't want to introduce them because she is already not a great eater. I don't want to diminish the amount of breastmilk she is eating. She is definitely not food (breastmilk) motivated anyway. When I spoke to a public health nurse at a weekly baby group she weighed her for me the following week and she had gained a few ounces since her appointment which I was happy about. She is gaining appropriately, seems happy, and sleeps at night. She's at the lowest end for weight gain though and it was suggested that I wake her up by doing a dream feed when I go to bed. Does anyone else do this? I have been very lucky since she was born because she has always slept pretty well at night. She sometimes only gets 1.5 hours of napping in total for the day so I am hesitant to mess with her night sleep by waking her up to feed her. Right now she goes to bed at 7:30 or 8:30 depending on when her last nap ended and how much she has slept that day. She'll sleep until 4 and I will feed her for a few minutes and then she sleeps until 7 when we get up. I was trying to feed her more often for the last week, but I don't think she is hungry every two hours, I'm just trying to force it in, and as a result she isn't getting the fatty hindmilk anyway I don't think-based on her poo colour which I had issues with the the first 1.5 months and then there were regular yellow/brown. Now this past week they are green again.

    I know the above is a book, so thanks for reading whoever does! I don't know what to do. I feel if she was hungry she would wake up to be fed? But maybe not? Today I have fed her 6 times for the day, about 2.5-3 hours apart and I felt like I got more into her than I usually do because I waited longer to feed her. I'm trying not to freak out about the whole thing.

    So, do I wake her up to feed her or let her sleep? I don't want to create bad sleep habits for her at a critical sleep time... I'm also experiencing another issue with mucous in her Poo, but the nurse thinks it is not allergy related because she is happy otherwise.

    Edited to add: I did try pumping at the beginning to give her a bottle, which she took 3 times and then we waited over a month and she absolutely refused to take one from anyone with lots of trying. I don't know what my output is because i can't seem to pump much anymore (I haven't tried in over a month because we never give her a bottle anyway) but when I did I was getting maybe an ounce from each in the morning when I am full. I could pump when I was pumping regularly and get 3-4.5 ounces from a breast in the morning.

  10. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: we had a very similar situation with my first LO. He dropped majorly in percentiles from 2-4 months and then kept dropping ( he went from 11lbs at 2 months to 13lbs at 4 months, and was 10th percentile by 5 months I think?). I was worried about it, but everything else was on track (heigh, head circumference). I ended up starting solids a bit early, at 5 months, and I tried to add an extra bottle of BM, which he never really took--he was just never a big eater, like your LO. I honestly think that around that time he just started to find his normal curve, because he stayed in the 10th percentile until he was 2, and then went up 25th and has been there since (he's 3.5). He is just a tall, skinny kid. Perfectly healthy though. So as long as her development is on track and she seems happy/isn't fussing for more food, I would try not to worry!!

    ETA same situation as you with not getting much while pumping and LO not taking the bottle well at all. I would not wake her and I would just keep feedings at times that worked before--don't try to force feed, since you can't really and it could create negative associations and more stress for you!

  11. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I wouldn't try to worry too much- my LO is very similar with weight, at 4 months was 13lbs 3oz, 10%, and I was pretty nervous but his dr wasn't concerned. I think feeding her when she is actually hungry, even 2.5-3 hours is the way to go and I wouldn't wake her up to feed her at night. Unless she is drastically dropping weight or something, my doctor said there has to be babies on each end of the curve, and it's the difference of a few ounces that can put a baby in a different percentile. That made me feel better. One thing I will ask since you mentioned mucousy poop, how often does your LO poop? Mine had very frequent (7-10 times a day even at 4 months) and very green poops and he has MSPI. Other than seeing blood every once and awhile, and being pretty gassy, that was his only symptom. I think my breastmilk was going right through him and he was having a hard time absorbing all of the nutrients since he was going so often.

  12. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: I was hoping you'd chime in about the poo. It has been a week and a half that there has been mucous in it. And she has been going at least 4 times a day when before it was 1-2. I did wonder if it was MSPI. I gave up gluten for lent and may have upped my dairy intake slightly and am vegetarian so soy is a constant staple for me. I think I'm going to make a doctor appointment for her because I am at a loss. Can you just suddenly develop MSPI? And there is no test for it, right?

    As I write this she is pooing again...4th or 5 th time today.

  13. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: I made an appointment for Tuesday morning. I remember you did an elimination diet and it helped for a bit? How lon did it take to see results? But your Lo is on formula now, right? I think I read another post from you about it. I feel like my doctor is going to suggest solids again for fats, maybe, depending on what he thinks the issue is. She's only 19 weeks though and that makes me worried for her breastmilk intake. Although if she isn't getting any fat from me... :(. If changing my diet to cut dairy and soy works I would be happy. It would be pretty hard for me, protein-wise, but I can figure it out.

  14. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @hilsy85: thank you. That makes me feel better.

  15. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: reading along... No advice since my lo is ff, but hope it works out soon!

  16. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: hmmm I would think she would have been showing symptoms before 4 months but I'm no expert. But mucous poop alone isn't too worrying- that could be a number of things. The elimination diet helped a lot at first, but then gradually it kept getting worse so I'm guessing it was also something else in addition to dairy/soy but not sure!! Yes he is FF now

  17. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: That's what I would have thought too. I'll see what the doctor says. She also woke up with her first cold yesterday. Eek! (Although I wouldn't think the poo and sickness are related since it happened nearly two weeks before she got sick). It's sad when babies are sick. I know a lot of October babes have gone through this and worse already so I am thankful that she held out so long before catching something.

    @2littlepumpkins: Thanks!

    I know this is stupid to say...but I am a first time mama. I had no idea really that breastfeeding would be so complicated! In terms of knowing how much they're taking in and whether they are getting the right stuff. I know too that there are all the other issues that go with breastfeeding, like latch issues and pain. So now I know-you don't just figure out how to do it and then merrily go along.

  18. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    The doctor said he doesn't think anything is wrong. I feel like he was pretty chill about everything. Weighed her and said to come get her weighed at 5 months. She hasn't gained much in two weeks. Only a few ounces. I feel like I am the only one concerned. And aside from this she is perfectly happy and sleeping well. I guess I'll see what happens at 5 months (only a few weeks away) and keep monitoring her poo like he said to do. I misplaced my phone in the house on my way there so I couldn't show him pictures that I had taken to document it.

    We're also flying to England in less than a month. Unrelated, but I'm pretty nervous about it!

  19. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: hugs! I felt pretty similarly. His pedi wasn't too concerned because he was eating and sleeping ok. But I kept thinking to myself it can't be normal for him to have this lime green mucousy poop with specks of blood and him going so frequently. He was eating a ton and I felt like he should weigh more by how much he drank. Could you maybe have her diaper tested for occult blood? Maybe that would put your mind at ease if none is found? Maybe she just has a cold which could be causing mucous? Or if you do find blood, then you will know she is intolerant to something...

  20. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: honestly my doctor wouldn't. He probably thinks I'm crazy. I can't say I'm terribly surprised she hasn't gained a lot because she doesn't eat a lot. I have no idea what will happen when we start solids, but I'm hoping she'll like thigs like avocado. I'll be going back to him on the 22nd so I'll see what happens then with her weight. I'm just going to keep a close eye on it for now. It would be nice if it was just a reaction to her shots combined with a cold and it will get better. I did read that excessive drooling can also show up as mucous in stool. We have nicknamed her droolia. Thanks for the support.

  21. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: can you get in with anyone else for a second opinion before your trip? Might put your mind a little at ease either way. Or a GI if you have PPO

  22. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: I forgot to mention that his response to the increased frequency was that it is apparently normal for a breastfed baby to go every time they eat.

    @2littlepumpkins: he would have to give me a referral to see a specialist and I can't go see a different doctor. I think he'll take things more seriously at the next appointment if she isn't up at 15 pounds. Hopefully it will resolve by then. I'm going to try and decrease my dairy and soy too and see if that helps. We're leaving April 3rd so we have a little bit of time I guess.

  23. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: ah I forgot you are in Canada... If you have PPO in the US you don't necessarily need a referral. Those answers seem pretty dismissive. It could totally be nothing though, babies can have digestive ups and downs too, with drool and teething and illness and whatever. but you have a follow up so that's good.

  24. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I wouldn't worry--like I said, my LO was the same. He was only 13lbs 10oz at 5 months--hadn't even gained a lb since 4 months. Are you and your DH on the slimmer side? I would guess it might just be genetics at play!

  25. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @hilsy85: thanks. I am still keeping that in mind for sure. We are slim/average. I tend to worry too much about medical things as a rule so that is probably the case in this situation. And I got really fixated on the "must gain at least a pound a month" thing that seems to circulate the web/health profession. Although the public health nurse told me the other day it was 1-2 pounds a month! I also typically jump to worst case scenario in life... It's a wonder I got though being pregnant in one piece!

  26. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    After over 3 years of being a SAHM and some time being a student, I got a job! It's a starter job, for sure, but in the field I wanted to be in, very close to home and dd's preschool, and regular hours. The owner of the company is also pretty flexible, he even brought up that if a kid got sick or something and I needed to leave to pick them up (hopefully I'll have help at home though) or what not, he would be flexible. I start Monday... We have a temporary plan but we need to find a sitter for ds!!!!

  27. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @2littlepumpkins: congrats! Very exciting!!

  28. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @2littlepumpkins: woo! Good for you.

  29. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @hellobeeboston: @Mrs. Goose: Thanks ladies, it's going to be quite the transition especially for dd. Hope it goes ok.

  30. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @2littlepumpkins: Weight gain isn't great for two weeks-6 ounces. (Although the doctor had little concern) When I showed him the pictures of her poo he agreed that he has never seen any poo like it (which probably isn't saying a lot since he probably hasn't seen that many kids' poop!) I have changed a lot of diapers though with babies and toddlers of all ages and have never seen any poo like my lo's. I've been dairy free for two weeks and have seen no improvement yet. The mucous (a lot) in the diapers is basically the only symptom and the doctor is being pretty chill about it which is pretty annoying to me. I'm wondering if I should give soy a go? He seems to think it is not an intolerance at all, but thinks it is nothing I guess? He said we'll leave it until 6 months and review again. It's causing me stress and I'm over analyzing every diaper hoping to see change. I'll ask for a referral to someone if this is still happening daily at 6 months, it has already been a month.

    She cut her first tooth last week, as an aside!

  31. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I'm sorry that the weight gain is still not going great. Is your lo in a good mood? Or constantly fussy? (I hope not.) I mean, if lo is in a good mood and meeting other milestones I guess that's a positive sign that it may not be that serious? 6oz in two weeks is 12 in a month which is still the better part of a pound, so even though it's slow-ish, it's not stagnant or negative! So maybe that's a sign that it really isn't that serious? It does sound like a GI problem though if the poop is that weird. Sending you hugs.. I can understand the anxiety until you get a definite answer.

  32. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @2littlepumpkins: she's typically in a pretty good mood as long as I stick by her. I'm sure she would be happy being held all day, but that's nothing new. She only gained 8 ounces in a month since her 4 month check up. So I guess the two week 6 gain shows that she is gaining better in the past two weeks. She has been eating more frequently lately. She's still smiling a lot, we can get her to laugh, she's getting more coordinated with her hands, and starting to sit up by herself. If it was one or the other of these issues I wouldn't be as concerned, but both together is why I am. Something is irritated or nutrients are not getting absorbed properly.

  33. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: you are nursing right? have you ever done a weighed feed to see how much she is getting from you? is it possible that your supply has gone down?

    ETA mainly because a few of the MSPI babies I know IRL don't actually have that much issue with weight gain, but do have a lot of diaper/digestion issues...and I also know babies (mine included!) with slow weight gain but no other issues.

  34. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @hilsy85: yep, nursing. I don't know if my supply is down. Wouldn't she be more unhappy? Trying to get more from me? I nurse until she decides she is done and that's usually only using one side. That's why I'm confused, she doesn't fit MSPI from her symptoms.

    I googled stuff. Came up with cystic fibrosis and asked the doctor about it and he said most likely not. Although I am pretty sure newborns are screened for it where I am and he said they weren't and he also said it was a problem with not creating enough mucous, but cf is a problem with creating too much so I was pretty unimpressed that he seemed clueless to me. However, she would have probably had problems passing meconium at birth or chest infections he said. I was just grabbing at straws and obviously am not a doctor. I wish he was doing more for us.

  35. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I'm so sorry you are going through this, I hope you get some answers soon! I know the feeling of analyzing every diaper. It sounds like she is happy though so I do think that makes a difference! Also, I learned teething can cause mucous in stools too....I know you mentioned she just got a tooth. But trust your mommy gut if you feel something is wrong, your gut is usually right!! We are struggling right now badly with black specks in stool and extreme gas at night and it's just been awful not knowing what is affecting him

  36. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @NovBaby1112: thank you.

    oh dear. Hope you figure something out so he gets relief too. ❤

  37. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I don't remember, are the diapers green and mucous-y or yellow/brown colored? I guess to me, the simpler explanation for slow weight gsin is low supply. plus if she is teething the extra saliva could cause mucous. I would personally rather try to up her oz to see if that helps vs cutting out dairy and soy bc i would find that hard! but also, she may just not be a big girl--my DD is only 14lbs at 5 months and also a slow gainer.

  38. Mrs. Goose

    pear / 1737 posts

    @hilsy85: they are more often yellowy and mucousy now. They were green two weeks ago which made me think about foremilk/hindmilk imbalance which we had in her first month. I'm keeping track of the number of times I feed her. I'll throw in some mothers milk tea. Surprisingly it hasn't been too hard to cut out major sources of dairy: cheese, milk, butter, but I know soy would be way harder and that cuts my major protein source as a vegetarian. Beans are not my friend. Taking things a day at a time! Maybe her poo will just go back to normal soon...

  39. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: if it is the dairy maybe you could start reading labels? I had to go dairy free last year and it was actually tough. A lot of things you might not expect have dairy in them especially eating out. I really hope he does more tests soon.

  40. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Mrs. Goose: I totally get how confusing and worrisome it seems when things don't seem "normal"--but there is really such a wide range and if she seems happy and is developing well and has no real health issues I would try not to stress! And trust your doctor I mean, no harm in cutting dairy and soy if you want, of course! So you could always try that for like a month and see if there is a difference.

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