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12:07, been in 22x already.
Did I say things were better? How dare me.
I just about lost my shit, DH in with him now, this Momma fed up.
Bahhhhhh, I'm not going to talk about sleep anymore!
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If you would like some entertainment, look at the last two threads I just started!! Insane!
In other news we switched DS out of his bucket seat today, his car seat fits have been insane, I have no idea if this will help, but we had to try something.
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@Beebug: 22! Oh my. And aftershave to deal with to boot! Seriously I don't know anything about CIO or aftershave but I would be going crazy if DH had some annoying product smell, so I feel you! He had some nasty burps tonight and that was bad enough! We're no help with the sleep, either, he's still in our bed almost all night every night and cries if we leave him for more than a few minutes alone in his crib.
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@anandam: lol thank you for responding, it made me smile and laugh at myself/my insanity, hahaha.
Seriously DS smells now too. It's happened before, I'm just over the edge tonight, lol.
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@Beebug: gah I'm so sorry this continues. When you go in, what do you have to do? I'm impressed you're sticking it out with him in a different room. Dh sort of wants to move fia to her room but I vetoed that until she is consistently having no more than one wakeup/night. If I'm up 10 or 15 times I want to be no more than a step from my bed! The only downside of this is dh's snoring. It's so bad when he is on his back! Sometimes I just get her rocked to sleep and dh rolls onto his back and snores and wakes her up and I'm like nooooooooooooo. Gah I hate snoring!
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Oh! And re smelling-- I HATE. when ppl wear (any) strong scent and it gets on Fiona. For some reason it feels to me like ppl are marking their territory, leaving their stink all over my baby. I made her. She should only smell like me! Lol
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@Mae: sometimes I'm in and out in 2 seconds, paci back in. Now with him rolling everywhere and flipping, sometimes a reposition. Usually don't pick him up unless to nurse. I usually hear him early enough that he's past the point of settling himself (happens the odd time and I get so excited for him!) but not completely out of sorts! And it's not even that he's an unhappy guy, just SO unsettled.
Re: crib other room, we share part of a wall, he's so close. I need the room break mentally for me, and YES on the snoring! Sometimes while nursing in C's room I hear DH roll to back and think "nooooo!" as it just goes through the house.
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@Beebug: so sorry about the bad sleep! Honestly, this is one of my baby fears!! I so hope it gets better soon for you.
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@Beebug: unsettled, yes. Thats how fiona is too. It isn't that she wakes up crying (usually) its that she is so wiggly. Most of the time she has spit her binky out and if I replace it she settles (which is fine except the nights when she does this in increments of 10 minutes and I'm up for 2 hrs playing find-the-binky-in-the-dark..... finally wised up and got a binky clip for her swaddle sack). But she also does this thing where she just scoots around a bit on her back and then she raises her legs up and slams them down. It's so loud that when we are downstairs in the living room under our bedroom we can hear her leg slams before I even notice them on the monitor lol. I sort of hope/wonder if she might sleep better once she is (used to being) unswaddled and can roll. Like maybe she is uncomfortable and if she could just roll over and go to sleep that might be better. But who knows. Right now I'm still unsure of our unswaddle game plan (scared) and she is still not rolling!
How are everyone's 4 mo appointments going? Ours is next Monday and I'm a bit worried. I'm really not looking forward to shots (again. ugh. so many shots), especially because I think I'm going alone since I need DH to take next Friday off because I'm shooting a wedding. But also I'm a bit nervous to see what the doc says about her eating/weight. I feel that things are much improved. She is now consistently eating 20-22 oz completely willingly (if fussily-- must be before naps, swaddled, and from me--- although we are working on her taking bottles better from DH with varied success). Some days she has even taken up to 24-25 oz which is in the "normal" zone. I feel like maybe she just isn't going to be a big eater? And she has plenty of chub with her little thunder thighs double chin and enough wet diapers. So I feel she is okay. But I suspect her weight gain may not be what they want. I weighed her last night on our home scale and if it is correct she's gained only 11oz in 3 weeks (I think they are meant to gain 8oz/week at this stage? so she's at about half of that). I hope that the doc doesn't find this too concerning and lets us continue on because life is so much less stressful when I'm not essentially force/trick feeding her and just letting her eat what she wants. And/or I wonder if she might suggest starting solids sooner rather than later to get some more calories into her. Which would be fine really (just hope LO takes to them!).
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@Mae: Our 4 month isn't until the 22nd. Big brother will get his 2 year old well visit the same day. I'm curious to see how much the boys weigh. I feel like big brother is thinking out a bit. He seems to be eating less now.
I think the rolls, wet diapers, etc are all good signs. And if you feel like she is doing better that is even a greater sign! It may just take her a bit longer to gain more weight.
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@Beebug: Our guy is also maximum wiggly! Must be something about this stage. Sorry it's disrupting your sleep so incredibly. Hope it passes soon!
@Mae: I think I remember reading 1-2lbs month somewhere, so 11oz in 3wks is basically within that range? You've made such progress and been through so much with her, they must take that into account, too! Crazy to think we're already nearly in solids age! Our appointment's in 2 more weeks.
On the topic of feeding, is anyone else's LO eating like 12 times a day again? Every hour or two DS grabs my shirt and lunges in with a big wide open mouth, pretty straightforward! I hope I'm not overfeeding him. Curious if any of you have noticed appetite changes?
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@anandam: I feel like I've read that is very normal for this stage, and that is some combo of a growth spurt and/or the fact that they are so distractible while eating now that they probably don't eat as much in one sitting as they might have before? Hasn't affected Fia obviously as she would still rather I didn't insist she eat ever
But I know I've read about that on a few 4mo regression things I've read. Also maybe that is the case with weight gain, which would be great! I thought it was supposed to be more like 2 lbs/mo so she seemed pretty behind. We'll see what the doc says. I'll do whatever she recommends of course but I feel my gut instinct at this point is that she's fine. And lord knows that has not always been the case with my gut-- so I'm inclined to accept it now that I feel comfortable with her intake. I'd love if she'd eat more of course, but she seems happy and she has wet diapers and chubby thighs so I feel like maybe she just isn't going to be a big eater and thats okay.
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@anandam: Mine are sort of oscillating wildly between wanting to eat CONSTANTLY but being unsettled/distracted at the boob. That mighty be my low supply though. We supplement after nursing and Alice is going through major bottle refusal. She only wants to nurse but my supply isn't enough to satisfy her. I think it's definitely contributing to her bad night sleep and terrible naps too. But we also keep going places and having visitors that mess up the nap schedule so it could be that too.
@Beebug: We're dealing with the wiggly, fretful, just can't get comfortable night sleep with Alice. It's just up and down all night long trying to soothe her. Usually if I pick her up she will settle and if I nurse her we may get 45 min stretch. But then she's back up again and as the night goes on she gets less and less satisfied with nursing. Our ped suggested keeping her arms Unswaddled and letting her suck her thumb. She used to be into the thumb a few weeks ago but now that we are trying to encourage it she is like oh heck no. She's more or less given up the paci too. I'm at my wits end because I know she CAN sleep really well. She used to sleep through the night, take two hour naps, etc. But she just seems so uncomfortable lately. Poor baby.
@Mae: I hope your ped is satisfied with Fia's weight gain! One thing maybe your dr would be ok with is mixing a high calorie formula recipe? We do a 24 calorie recipe so they get an extra 4 calories per oz of formula. It has definitely helped with their weight gain! It does make the formula thicker so I'm not sure if Fia would take it well since you've had issues with her taking the bottles anyway. How did the pump weaning go? Sorry if you're already updated about that. I'm behind on reading the boards lately! We had our 4 month appt Friday. Blake finally made it to the first percentile for weight but since they are showing interest in food and they have good neck control, she suggested introducing some solids to see if we can get extra calories in. I was all about waiting until later, but when she suggested it I was pretty excited! We've only tried it once and they maybe only consumed 1/3 of the ounce of food, but they seemed to like the experience.
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@twodoghouse: I wonder if they make higher calorie hypo allergenic food? If so it is prob even MORE expensive haha. Hopefully it doesn't come with that. I really feel she is fine. You've seen her chub on IG-- those thighs don't lie!
As for weaning... it's okay... ish... I think? I was pumping 4x/day. Went down to 3x/day for 3 days (got a plugged duct on day 1 of that, boo). Then 2x/day for 4 days (got a plugged duct on day 4, which was supposed to be day 1 of once/day but wanted to make sure I took care of the plug). Then 1x/day for 3 days. On the 3rd day (yesterday) I thought I might have had a plugged duct but I think I was actually just partially engorged (is that even possible??). Just like 1/3 of my one boob was super hard and sore, but it didn't feel like a golf ball like my other plugs. After I pumped it felt totally better (not sore like plugs). So I dunno. Today is supposed to be my first day of no pumping at all and I'm sort of playing it by ear. My boobs actually feel fine right now so I think that I won't pump today! If I get sore at any point in the next few days I may pump for a few min to relieve the pressure, but otherwise I feel good
I didn't end up taking anything, except the last day of pumping I did take a dose of sudafed to hopefully dry up remaining milk. Not sure if it worked, only took one dose.
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Listen to this!!!!
Bedtime 7:45.
Lost paci, "CIO" 4 mins. Check, paci back in.
2 mins in, lost paci, "CIO" to the "4 minutes since I left" point, paci in.....DOWN!!!Woke 11:45, nursed. Down within half hour.
Woke 4:14, nursed, down within half hour.
Woke/nursed 6:30am and up for day.I can handle that!!!!
Oh please tell me this is the end of the foolishness.
Of course I could never just shut up here, kid is trying to go down to three naps I think and doing a crap job of it with half hour naps. I think I just got him back down after waking half hour in, I couldn't handle him if he was awake, poor dude is tired.
also......EASY says meals every 4 hours as of 4m, if anything he's feeding more often right now as he's so distracted at times and not nursing well, DD dropped the nap and then stretched the meals, this guy I don't think could stretch 3+ hours between meals, so I think I have to throw my EASY guidelines out the window in this transition time and hope for the best each day?
He kills me right now, reaching and grabbing for everything, especially my shirt when he is hungry. DH saw him at me this morning and was blown away, DD didn't do this (but I didn't bf a day past 4m, a week away from now equiv. I definitely can't handle the "asking" to bf stuff from baby, it's not my thing.
Booked our flights for Christmas today. Flying the night of Christmas Day, and flying home first thing New Yrs day, seat sale on those days/times and it's costing us what we usually pay for two of us, this is our first time paying for DD to fly (two in October) and we have definitely paid $500 more than this for just the two of us before, so we'll see how it goes. I haven't been home Christmas Day since before I met DH, so that will be very different! We do brunch in my immediate fam, so it should all check out okay after doing brunch, DD naptime, then head to the airport.......we'll see!
@Mae: How is weaning going? When I quit I pumped twice in one week just to give relief from the insane pain, otherwise quit cold turkey, thankfully didn't have any issues, aside from engorged pain.
I am on a mission to finish C's room right now, those who have me on IG are likely seeing my silly updates on the painting, haha. I have one more leaf to go. Not sure what I am doing next, but I really want to get his books organized (whatever ones I can keep in his room as DD claims them all and stashes them in her room, lol) and get him a book nook similar to what we have for DD. We spend a lot of time on the floors in their rooms, so we need something comfy!!
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@Beebug: yay yay YAY for that awesome night! That is legit do-able! Also I wouldn't be too concerned about what "they" say with regards to how much LO should eat. I'm sure he'll do what he needs. So if they say 4 hrs now... does that mean they think 4mo should only be eating 4 times/day? That does not seem like enough. I struggle to get 5 meals in/day for LO because she just won't eat enough usually to do less. Although I guess occasionally she will finish her biggest bottle I offer (6.75 oz). I've thought about offering 8oz but that just seems like so much for such a little belly!
Anyways. Weaning is... going. I dunno. My last official day was Sunday. Didn't pump at all on Monday and felt okay. By last night my boobs really hurt so I pumped for like 10 min and only got 1.5 oz so I think thats a good sign. Today my boobs sort of hurt a bit so we'll see how I feel tonight. I don't really know when to pump v. power through. I spent so long trying to make MORE milk it is kind of pissing me off to have more milk than I want right now.
Oh also re: naps-- Fiona legit REFUSED to nap this morning. She had a weird morning anyways. Up and unsettled at 4am. Wouldn't eat. Tried to get her to sleep until 445 when I gave up and got up with her. Up until about 6, wouldn't eat but fell asleep. Slept until 7. Up and wouldn't eat. Started yawning/rubbing her eyes at 8. Fed her and she at 6 oz, was almost asleep and then she pooped. Don't you just hate that? So I had to change her and that woke her up then she refused. Tried for an hour and she just screamed. So weird for her. So I just gave up and took her shopping. Figured I'd tucker her out and by the time we got home at 1045 she'd fallen asleep in her car seat and was so asleep she barely even woke up when I took her out haha. She's now been sleeping for 2.5 hrs (except for 15 min when I woke her up to eat bc girlfriend had eaten ONCE since 830pm last night and had to eat. but she fell right back asleep haha).
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@Mae: I'm noticing he doesn't want to be held past a certain point of tiredness now. Like there comes a point in settling for sleep that you can tell he wants to be put down.
He's definitely eaten 3x already today, so yah...we'll be failing the every 4 hrs for a while yet. We have fed a tiny bit of cereal, but he's not great at keeping it in yet, so I don't think it counts toward his intake yet....what a mess.
Nice on current nap, that is awesome!!! Both DD and DS woke in the time I posted what I did above and DD cried when she opened her door, so I told her "quiet or go back to bed".....she went back to bed! haha.
I hate when poop interrupts sleep, or anything around sleeptime that wrecks it....in DDs case....lawnmowers right now, ugh. But yes, for C, poop....! I hate when his poop sched changes and falls in the night sometime.
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@Beebug: I never post on here because my phone is obnoxious but I read it. Yay for a better night! As far as eating every 4 hours my pedi says feed 2-3 hours if they are still waking during the night. So you are not failing! S eats every 3 hours (or 2.5 if he wakes early). Bed is always at 7. He eats at 7, 10, 1, 3:30/4, 7. Then wakes between 11 and 12 which I feed him and again around 4ish which we may be trying to drop soon.
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@Beebug: Leo still eats every 2-3 hours a day anywhere from 4-6 ounces. He wakes up 1-2 times a night - lately once. I don't think he's ever gone 4 hours! Neither did my older son. I think my boys are just piggies. That's awesome about the better night!
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@Beebug: I think different babies are just ready for different things at different times! Fia would also fail on the 4 hr schedule because she can't be awake that long. She still maxes out at 1.5 hrs most days. Also that seems good that he wants to be put down? While I am enjoying the extra cuddles of rocking her to sleep (and back to sleep) over and over again.. I definitely am missing the ease of setting her down and walking away while she put herself to sleep. I'm hoping that we can get back to that at some point? But I feel like it's going to be a hard road until she starts eating sometime other than right before naps (and/or until she stops needing to be held upright for 20 min after every feed). Bc right now she is so used to be rocked all the time because after I feed her I have to sit here and hold her for 20 min and she always falls asleep. But I think it will be a bit because she still spits up a lot, and a lot more if we set her down too soon after eating.
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Okay so anyone else's kid just randomly wig the f out? I mean, maybe it wasn't totally random because she had a really bad sleeping day with only 2 naps all day (usual is 4) + being up for 2 hrs in the middle of the night last night. So I think she was overtired by bed time. But holy shiz. She ate okay, fell asleep, then when my husband sat down with her she started WAILING. I let it go on for 20 min before stepping in and she calmed immediately for me and fell asleep. I rocked her for 10 min to make sure she was really down then stood up to move her to her pack n play and OMG THE WAILING. Like another 15 min of outright screaming so loud that she got horse and started sputtering and choking. Wtf baby?!?!
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@Mae: wow that sounds crazy! We experienced that once with G when he was about 2-3 months old. I took him to the mall with friends and hung out in a noisy area for hours..... apparently he was overstimulated and behaved really crazy that night - similar to the behaviour you described.
G had his 4 month checkup last week and got his shots too. He weighed only 12lbs 13oz. Doc said its a little below avg, but still in the normal range. It worries me though. Im still feeding on demand, which sometimes allows even less than a 2 hr break...sometimes overfeeding because then he spits up, but he's not gaining much. He hasn't doubled his birth weight yet (7lbs 4 oz) and I keep reading that by now he should have. I dunno... it has me concerned.
He took his shots much better than the last time - thank God! He did get fever but it wasnt ridiculous and incessant like the last time - only had to give him one dosage of baby panadol.
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@Glitter: so glad g did well on his shots! We have had a crazy 2 days. Yesterday fia barely slept from 1030-5... Which is CRAZY for her. And so much crying. This morning she wigged out again. I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't just 4mo regression but teething too (maybe interfering with sleep too). She just sounds like she is on pain when she cries. And the last few days her chewing has reached new levels. She isn't just gumming her toys she is gnawing on them HARD. Wondering if her poor mouth is sore
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@Mae: oh yes, teething could be it, since she's not waking up happy, but miserable. I noticed a Sophie teether in one of your fb pics... does it help any? Is there anything you can rub on her gums to see if that changes things?
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@Glitter: I don't know.. She likes chewing on Sophie but it doesn't make a difference. We have her 4mo appt on Monday so hoping the doc can give us some answers. She is generally so sweet and happy, breaks my heart when she seems angry and ouchy!
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@Mae: we have the wig the f outing too (lol) and it's usually when he wants away from us and to be put down. It's mental though, and when it happens in the night is usually when I put the call into DH to take over (usually he knows based on the noise).
My good nights were short lived, last night was brutal again, however we took DDs paci's away and she was up more, so that likely factored in.
My pp hair loss is nuts. I honestly shower less now because I don't want to deal with all the hair, it's like I lose a cat worth of hair every time, I don't know how I'm not bald. Bah....looking for that ending, or at least slowing down.
DH and I went on a big hike this am, took the dog, my Mom watched the kids, it poured rain, but was good to get out.
@Glitter: when should they double their birthweight by? That would be almost 18lbs for us and there's no way he is near that yet I don't think. Our 4 month appt is the 22nd, so we'll see!
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@Glitter: G is only 13lb 6oz and 7lb 15oz at birth so has gained about the same. Definitely dropped a lot on the growth curve but big brother is tiny and grew the same way so doctor is not concerned. The chart is for healthy babies so someone has to be at the bottom! I think they are supposed to double weight by 6 months and triple around a year.
@Mae: G sometimes freaks out and is inconsolable when he gets overtired and/or overstimulated. It sounds like he is in pain but is just totally exhausted. Other times if he is fussy and crying no matter how I hold him it means he wants some alone time on his mat. He loves that thing and lately has been entertaining himself for like a half hour at a time.
@Beebug: Omg pp hair loss is awful. I used to wash my hair every day and now every 3 days. I know it's normal but I HATE it. -
@skipra: I am barely every 3 days, I dread the shower! I don't remember how long it lasted last time, but man oh man.
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Been feeling off for the last two weeks... Sniffles, headaches, acne... DH bought a cheap pregnancy test just so that I could clear my head.. Took it this morning, one line, as expected. Awesome! Went out for the day. Just returned home with Gio (DH is at work) and I'm seeing a second faint line! This must be a joke!! Gonna try uploading a picture. My phone is crap though. I'm freaking out.
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Is anyone seeing both lines??
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@Glitter: OMG! Go get a good test, not a cheap one! You'd have Irish twins!
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I see both! But I'm not sure about the time lapse. I'd retest.
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@Mamasig: I am freaking out. Haven't said anything to DH yet because I can't scare him over the phone. This is insane.
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@Glitter: I don't blame you. I always think about a 3rd baby but I would so totally freak out if I was pregnant. Sorry - I'm no help!
But if you are pregnant, than that's wonderful news! Gio would have a sibling :). Plus I'm all about getting the baby part over with!
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@Glitter: Get a better test! I don't think you can trust blue dye outside the test period. Aren't you on depo!?
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@Mamasig: thanks??
I can't believe I'm having this discussion. I just got the second depo shot less than two weeks ago! Do false positives exist?
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@skipra: I'm gonna go get a better test now. True! I forgot the instructions say results read after ten minutes will not be accurate!
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@Glitter: definitely get a better test! Sorry, I think my DH has brainwashed me. Whenever we hear about oops babies, he says all babies are gifts from God and not an oops. I usually roll my eyes at him. Feel free to do the same to me!
I don't know about the depo shot, but my OB said it took 2 weeks for bc pills to be effective. But if it's your second, would that matter?
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@Glitter: oh god. Retest!
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@Mamasig: lol I agree with your DH.. They are gifts from God.. I would have just preferred that gift a little later.... I am not looking forward to pregnancy right now!
My understanding is as long as I took the second shot within three months of the previous one I would be protected... I have convinced myself that the test is not to be trusted. I just won't accept that result until I try a better test.
But I know I've read about that on a few 4mo regression things I've read. Also maybe that is the case with weight gain, which would be great! I thought it was supposed to be more like 2 lbs/mo so she seemed pretty behind. We'll see what the doc says. I'll do whatever she recommends of course but I feel my gut instinct at this point is that she's fine. And lord knows that has not always been the case with my gut-- so I'm inclined to accept it now that I feel comfortable with her intake. I'd love if she'd eat more of course, but she seems happy and she has wet diapers and chubby thighs so I feel like maybe she just isn't going to be a big eater and thats okay.
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